Russia and Ukraine

[arewethereyet]

Great start on that article...'Not to beat a dead horse...'

Super!

[Ranjr]

The fact that Russia wants more than Crimea and a few Ukrainian counties is exactly why posters in this thread have been saying recent Russian atrocities are about more than little bits of territory.

[The Architect Of Fate]

More down to the local level, for people who think the war is about taking little bits of territory:

https://sonar21.com/there-is-no-single-w...n-trouble/

About the author 

Pro Russian and Vladimir Putin propaganda[edit]

With the start of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Johnson has been writing articles highly sympathetic to Russia and Putin and has echoed much of the discredited propaganda coming out from Russia. He has made numerous false claims, backed with no evidence, that Ukraine is run by Neo-Nazis propped up by the United States and Russia is only attacking NATO bases in Ukraine and not killing any civilians despite numerous independent reports of Russian actions leading to numerous civilian deaths.[25] He also has repeated Russian propaganda claiming they are easily winning in Ukraine and reports about the Russian army's many struggles are all lies from Western media. In a March 21 article, he claimed Russia has already won the war and the Ukrainian forces were all decimated.[citation needed] He praised the Russian army and said the United States military would stand little chance against Russia in an armed conflict. In reality, Russia has been forced away from Kyiv, has faced fierce fighting from the far more lightly armed Ukrainian forces, and has been pushed back to the east of Ukraine with NATO estimating the Russian casualties between 7,000 to 14,000.[26][27] Like many on the far-right, Johnson has portrayed Putin as a white nationalist hero similar to former U.S. President Donald Trump and that Russia is defending Western Christian white culture against a godless and pro-LGBT West and United States.[28] Most of his pro-Russian propaganda has been published by the news site The Gateway Pundit who have also taken a pro-Putin and Russian stance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_C._J...John_Kerry

Yup this guy is totally credible. You really ought to vet your sources better 

[The Architect Of Fate]

Seen from a macro view, here is what the war is about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nZYOa_kGo

And no trip around the Putin Propaganda yard would be complete without a video from the "usefulidiots" and frankly never youtube channel lived up to it's name better, And of course, they trot out Col. Doug Macgregor to be their "military expert" A guy who after Russia took Crimea went on Russia Today and said Ukraine should hand over the Donbas.So yeah he's a totally credible source.

2014 Russian annexation of Crimea

In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and was engaged in a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, Macgregor appeared on Russian state-owned network RT where he called for the annexation of the Donbas and said residents of the region "are in fact Russians, not Ukrainians, and at the same time, you have Ukrainians in the west and in the north, who are not Russians."[19][34]

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Macgregor appeared on three Fox News programs to speak in support of Russia's actions. Russian state television broadcast excerpts of Macgregor's appearances, which included a characterization of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a "puppet," that Russian forces had been "too gentle" in the early days of the invasion and that Russian president Vladimir Putin was being "demonized" by the United States and NATO. Macgregor said he believed Russia should be allowed to seize whatever parts of Ukraine it wanted. After one of his appearances, Macgregor's comments were characterized by veteran Fox News Pentagon correspondent Jennifer Griffin as "appeasement" and that he was being an "apologist" for Putin. After Griffin's remarks, Tucker Carlson — who hosted Macgregor on two successive nights — remarked, "Unlike many of the so-called reporters you see on television, he is not acting secretly as a flack for Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon. No, Doug Macgregor is an honest man." Trey Gowdy, another Fox News host who interviewed Macgregor, said his viewpoint was "stunning and disappointing."[35][36][37][38] U.S. representative Liz Cheney said of Macgregor "This is the Putin wing of the GOP."[39

[The Architect Of Fate]

Well well well what have we here 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-kremlin-...in-1751071

Russia Reveals Details of Elon Musk's Phone Call With Putin

Of course, both Putin and Elon are going to lie they have been in contact since and we of course should believe them because they are both totally trustworthy individuals who would never lie .....


And before anyone brings up Star Link. Musks claim he lost millions letting Ukraine use it is dodgy at best and he gains advertising on the effectiveness of the system in a real scenario which more valuable than a few million 


Also, the idea Musk is some sort of anti-war conscientious objector is blown away by his total willingness to invest in war.

https://www.businessinsider.com/musks-sp...ts-2020-10

[Deesse23]

Before the war started, it was universally acknowledged that Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.

And that justifies invasion?
Russia is the single more corrupt country than Ukraine.
Can we invade now?

It has banned at least 10 opposition parties from standing in elections and made large parts of its population into second class citizens. 

And that justifies an invasion?
Putin effectively has eliminated all opposition not by banning, but by assassination and show trials.
Can we invade now?

[Deesse23]

@Belacqua's shitstorm of far-right links highlights her bias better than any response could do. The only thing she's doing is showing herself to be either 1) obscenely ignorant or 2) a shill for Russian propaganda.

In either event, I'm glad those like @Helios and others are taking the time to wade through her bullshit and debunk it.

If she truly is an expatriate, great. I don't want such low-information people voting in American elections ... we've got more than enough of those already.

Not only an expat but playing the roll of jilted.  Makes for good comedy to think of as a performance.

I agree the lunatic links are informative towards a mindset.  "Oh, just scrolling through my feed. . . Look! another article about how the US is filing on me I mean evil!"

Reminds me of a guy in another forum. Really hateful against his homeland, also living abroad. Making the most egregious and silly claims about his home country being fascist and oppressive.

I "tickeld" him until it finally burst out of him: His father was a member of the east german army. After the re-unification he got sacked like so many. Had no or almost no pension, and that triggered his son into an unquenchable hate for (western) Germany. He finally got banned because he totally lost it once he got this off his chest. 

I am suspecting something similar going on here, but i am not going to be the one who holds up this anatomically correct doll to Bels face.

[Thumpalumpacus]

This is the shit @Belacqua is justifying:









But hey, it's not her home or town getting demolished. It's not her father getting murdered, or her sister getting raped and murdered, so it's all good.

[The Architect Of Fate]

This is the shit @Belacqua is justifying:









But hey, it's not her home or town getting demolished. It's not her father getting murdered, or her sister getting raped and murdered, so it's all good.

He will just proclaim it's all western propaganda. Then link to some fringe nutters' opinions.

[Belacqua]

It's funny to see Emmanuel Macron tweet: "We do not want a World War," and get criticized by hundreds of people for being weak and terrified.

Real men want nuclear holocaust.