Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Lets look at some of those supposed Pro Nuclear War quotes shall we 

You didn't want WWII as well

So you just welcomes Nazis into your lands & let Brits fight for you

Learn history, kids. Don't be like France

— Kate Levchuk 🇺🇦 (@KateGoesTech) 

This person is clearly Pro Nuclear war .....

Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois tweeted: "We do not want to appease evil. Thought you guys learned that 70 years ago."

Yup this person is totally Pro Nuclear war ......


Not Seeing any pro Nuclear War quotes yet. I am seeing a lot of don't appease evil quotes. 




Also, people might be a little upset about this 

France's Macron suggests he won't fire nukes at Russia even if Putin uses them in Ukraine, undercutting Western threats

https://www.businessinsider.com/macrons-...ne-2022-10





And let's face it Macron been highly wishy-washy on the subject of Russia Anyway 

Macron draws new wave of criticism over call not to 'humiliate' Russia

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220...ate-russia

Yeah, we wouldn't want to hurt the deranged warmongering autocrat's feelings now, would we?

[The Architect Of Fate]

I thought Bel was leaving this thread .....

[Fake Messiah]

Please leave Putin alone so he can commit ethnic cleansing and destroy Ukraine and placate the fascists at home in Russia who keep him in power.

Putin has a long history of threatening with nuclear war. In the lead-up o the 2016 election when he did not want Hillary Clinton to win according to common sense and according to US intelligence reports, what was happening?

Putin was doing all sorts of nuclear drills inside Russia on the eve of the American election in 2016. And you had the Russian friendly candidates—Donald Trump and Jill Stein—essentially pointing that out and saying, “Don't vote for Hillary Clinton. She's a war monger. She's gonna drag us into war with Russia.” They were amplifying that hysteria. And so Putin does the nuclear saber rattling and his useful idiots amplify that messaging to get inside people's heads.

So again, you have all these idiots saying, “If you support Ukraine, you're dragging us into World War 3. Stop support for Ukraine.” So what they're saying is they're trying to equate any support for Ukrainians to defend themselves, to protect themselves against actual ethnic cleansing, they're equating that with nuclear war that's gonna destroy the world.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's funny to see Emmanuel Macron tweet: "We do not want a World War," and get criticized by hundreds of people for being weak and terrified.

Real men want nuclear holocaust.

You understand there's a difference between 'a world war' and 'nuclear holocaust', correct?

Boru

[Deesse23]

It's funny to see Emmanuel Macron tweet: "We do not want a World War," and get criticized by hundreds of people for being weak and terrified.

Real men want nuclear holocaust.

Then why are you bitching around here, and not responding to those hundreds of people on Twitter?

Oh yeah, coward, and troll.

Needles to say not wanting nuclear war dies not equal submitting to tyranny.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[Mister Agenda]

So, the U.S. is authoritarian because it supports someone's fight against authoritarianism?

I guess I'm an uber-authoritarian, then, because I believe dictatorship should be made illegal internationally.  Any leadership which drops below a certain level of democracy and openness should be immediately sanctioned.

Before the war started, it was universally acknowledged that Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. It has banned at least 10 opposition parties from standing in elections and made large parts of its population into second class citizens. 

By your standards, the US should sanction it and refuse to provide any economic or military aid.

The US is not authoritarian because it supports someone else's fight against authoritarianism. If it is doing that somewhere, that's good.

That is correct. It was ranked the second most corrupt country in Europe, after the Russian Federation.

[Mister Agenda]

So, the U.S. is authoritarian because it supports someone's fight against authoritarianism?

I guess I'm an uber-authoritarian, then, because I believe dictatorship should be made illegal internationally.  Any leadership which drops below a certain level of democracy and openness should be immediately sanctioned.

Before the war started, it was universally acknowledged that Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. It has banned at least 10 opposition parties from standing in elections and made large parts of its population into second class citizens. 

By your standards, the US should sanction it and refuse to provide any economic or military aid.

The US is not authoritarian because it supports someone else's fight against authoritarianism. If it is doing that somewhere, that's good.

Corrupt does not equal dictatorship; so not by his standards at all.

[Belacqua]

Before the war started, it was universally acknowledged that Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. It has banned at least 10 opposition parties from standing in elections and made large parts of its population into second class citizens. 

By your standards, the US should sanction it and refuse to provide any economic or military aid.

The US is not authoritarian because it supports someone else's fight against authoritarianism. If it is doing that somewhere, that's good.

Corrupt does not equal dictatorship; so not by his standards at all.

I see what you mean.

I was going by "drops below a certain level of democracy and openness." You're right that a government which drops below such a level need not be a dictatorship.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I see what you mean.

I was going by "drops below a certain level of democracy and openness." You're right that a government which drops below such a level need not be a dictatorship.

Ukraine doesn't lack democracy and openness. Banning parties that are fronts for a  hostile foreign government is not the mark of a dictator.Volodymyr Zelensky  can be voted out. Putin by contrast wins sham elections and has his political opponents killed left and right. His "popularity " is the result of state propaganda and censorship of anyone who would speak out. Hell, how many interviews with Russians have I heard something like " I don't want to get in trouble" when the subject of Putin comes up? The only way Putin is leaving office is in a coffin. So this statement is absurd .....