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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 9:37 pm
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Quote:Oops, obviously I made a mistake earlier. I said that Haiti was the first to gain its independence, but of course the US was before that.
In an important way the US was the first to do it and the last to get away with it.
As everyone knows, the War of Independence was fought for Liberty, Justice, and All Good Things. It's important to remember that it was fought largely over who got to control the cotton.
Cotton was an extremely valuable commodity in those days, but the people who profited were those who processed and wove it, not those who grew it. Britain used America as its source for the raw material but refused to allow them the technology or the economic freedom to do the processing. The British wanted the profit for themselves, of course. American producers wanted the extra value gained through processing, so they fought for independence. (This is probably not well known by people who get their history from AmericaFuckYeah.gov.)
Britain was careful not to make the same mistake twice, so when they moved their cotton growing source to Egypt they were careful to control industry there too. No factories or technology to get the value that Britain wanted for itself. If the technology is held down then obviously the economy and consequently education is held down. This is why Napoleon bothered to conquer Egypt and why it remains a poor country. It must not be allowed to develop.
The US did the same to Haiti and many other countries, requiring sources of cheap labor so that rich people in the US could keep the profits for themselves. The Clintons helped. The invasion force that's on its way will maintain this status quo, not help to enrich the people of Haiti.
This is ultimately what the current war is about also. The US requires that no other area be allowed to develop to the point where it can compete. Propaganda, again, insists that the US has nothing to do with this war, that it is only New Modern Hitler trying to enlarge his territory. Very naive people believe this. The governments of Russia and China of course know the history and the policies of the US better than most Americans. Whenever you read propaganda from any of these governments, it's necessary to keep this larger goal in mind.
Your understanding of modern economics is laughably outdated. Pro Tip Developed nations want to be near other developed nations and it's in the interest of developed nations to develop other nations. Hell, even China understands this.....
And yes it's honestly no more complicated than Putin is an autocrat who suffers from delusions he's going to Make Russia Great Again by doing away with pesky democracies on his doorstep. To think otherwise is simply denialism, And no most Russian people and Chinese don't shit about their history that hasn't been filtered through the "ministry of truth" That's why you get Russians who think Stalin wasn't all that bad.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 10:18 pm
(October 16, 2022 at 6:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You know, let' jut go ahead and assume that all of the worlds various shadowy elites are serviced by the war in ukraine.
So what?
Why limit it to the world? Aliens are people too! We -- uh, I meant they, they -- have shadowy elites as well.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 10:27 pm
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(October 16, 2022 at 7:39 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Remember the propaganda lexicon, though: "gangsters" means groups opposed to US hegemony, "freedom fighter" means groups supporting US hegemony.
lol every country in the world that's tried to pwn any other country has used that language in pursuit of their own aims.
If you weren't so deliberately ignorant, your naivete might be cute. But as matters stand, I think everyone but yourself can see your bias. Not just afraid to answer tough questions, you're afraid of the mirror as well.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 10:57 pm
(October 16, 2022 at 10:18 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 6:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You know, let' jut go ahead and assume that all of the worlds various shadowy elites are serviced by the war in ukraine.
So what?
Why limit it to the world? Aliens are people too! We -- uh, I meant they, they -- have shadowy elites as well. The world is run by the Jewish Stone Mason Illuminati Communist Space lizard lead by Bill Gates and George Soros and Cyborg Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 11:01 pm
Quote:Remember the propaganda lexicon, though: "gangsters" means groups opposed to US hegemony, "freedom fighter" means groups supporting US hegemony.
Nope Gangster is someone who participates and profits from organized crime and a freedom fighter is someone who actually fighting make sure their country does not fall under the control of an autocrat. This has nothing to do with US hegemony nor is it propaganda it's simply true....
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 11:03 pm
Quote:OPEC, the entity that started off the 70s oil crisis by penalizing Washington’s geopolitical decisions, has made history repeat itself by siding with Russia to cut off oil. Which has destroyed Biden’s hopes for reversing inflation. This shows the U.S. has lost its war to protect the petrodollar, which has been behind Washington’s regime change campaigns within Venezuela and Iran. Those attempts have failed, and now the costs of those failures Washington has feared are here. The multipolar future has come, leaving Washington unable to alleviate the internal disasters which its own wars and hyper-capitalist policies create.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 11:05 pm
Video: Russian Soldier Shows 'Awful' Camp Condition, Says Half of Men Sick
"Meanwhile in Russia: take a look at the way the newly-mobilized recruits are being treated," Davis wrote alongside the video. "An unnamed man complains that his shoes, his money, and his mattress got stolen. He says, that's just the way it is. Everyone got sick, because they are barely heating the tents. Grim."
In the clip, the unseen and unnamed soldier offers a first-person look at the camp he has been sent to and shows himself seemingly wearing nothing but socks while outside.
"I don't have either tennis shoes or tactical boots," the soldier says near the start of the clip. "Everyone here is from Khanty-Mansiysk. All of our guys, we're finding our own pathways. Can't do it any other way."
The man further claims that mattresses have been stolen from his tent, describing theft as the only "way to survive here." Even stoves are liable to be taken when you walk away from the tent, he explained. His personal belongings, like sneakers and money, have also been stolen. Despite this allegedly rampant theft, superior officers seem to have no interest in helping.
"As the deputy told me, 'Am I your Mommy or your Daddy? Find it yourself,'" the man continued.
https://www.newsweek.com/video-russian-s...ck-1752254
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 11:12 pm
G9 group has engaged in Extortion, Kidnapping, Human Trafficking, Illegal Arms Dealing, Drug Trafficking, and Forced Prostitution....Etc
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 11:21 pm
(October 16, 2022 at 8:11 pm)Belacqua Wrote: CNN anchorman just now matter-of-factly announces that "We've been waging this unprecedented war against Vladimir Putin."
If this isn't a proxy war, somebody should tell the corporate spokesmen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V03NjfJfiE
Gee, were you trapped in an airport and unable to change the channel?
Must suck to be you.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 11:23 pm
Quote:OPEC, the entity that started off the 70s oil crisis by penalizing Washington’s geopolitical decisions, has made history repeat itself by siding with Russia to cut off oil. Which has destroyed Biden’s hopes for reversing inflation. This shows the U.S. has lost its war to protect the petrodollar, which has been behind Washington’s regime change campaigns within Venezuela and Iran. Those attempts have failed, and now the costs of those failures Washington has feared are here. The multipolar future has come, leaving Washington unable to alleviate the internal disasters which its own wars and hyper-capitalist policies create.
https://rainershea.substack.com/p/the-go...o-us-there
Lol, nonsense America is in little danger when it comes to petrodollars and inflation and gas prices a temporary. It's actually Russia that's going to be taking a beating for the next few years and OPEC will only support them so long till they start shifting the market back to the US and Russia will have a choice to go with the market or its own destructive expansionist plans. This source doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. His is wishful thinking of the worst kind.
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