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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 9:33 am
(December 3, 2022 at 6:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 2, 2022 at 10:50 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Unfortunately, any real-world attempt at predictive policing will end up being a disaster. Red-flag laws are ineffective at preventing terrorism, but are perfectly capable of destroying peoples' lives.
I'm confused. You criticized cops for only showing up after the fact, but now you're saying that showing up before a crime is committed would be disastrous. You can't have it both ways.
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Why can't I have it both ways? I think police cannot be useful either way. OK, maybe they would be useful (I am not sure about that) if they caught criminals and put them in rehabilitation centers, but that's not remotely what they are doing nor what somebody here proposed.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 10:03 am
(December 2, 2022 at 10:55 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (December 2, 2022 at 10:48 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: So, we should leave the child molesters, rapists, etc. out on the streets so they can hurt more people?
I think so. Either that or killing them outright. Temporarily putting them in prisons, places from which they will return with even more psychological problems, makes no sense.
Your lunacy knows no bounds.
If you incarcerate a child molester, rapist...whatever....let's say for 20 years, that means for 20 years they aren't roaming the streets molesting and raping. Seems like a decent plan to protect people, at least for a while.
Killing them outright isn't usually something civilized people are up for anymore.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 10:36 am
I think …yeah, sure…there’s reason to suspect that some category of crime could be prevented by investigations and catching criminals. It wouldn’t be such an effective deflection if it seemed too ridiculous to entertain. Yet another problem with our cops. They don’t do enough of that, because they’re too busy doing something else and -calling- it that. Fail on both ends.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 11:03 am
(December 3, 2022 at 9:33 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 6:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm confused. You criticized cops for only showing up after the fact, but now you're saying that showing up before a crime is committed would be disastrous. You can't have it both ways.
Boru
Why can't I have it both ways? I think police cannot be useful either way. OK, maybe they would be useful (I am not sure about that) if they caught criminals and put them in rehabilitation centers, but that's not remotely what they are doing nor what somebody here proposed.
COPS AREN’T ALLOWED TO PUT PEOPLE IN REHAB! Has the judicial system not made it to Croatia yet??
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 11:28 am
(December 3, 2022 at 11:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 9:33 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Why can't I have it both ways? I think police cannot be useful either way. OK, maybe they would be useful (I am not sure about that) if they caught criminals and put them in rehabilitation centers, but that's not remotely what they are doing nor what somebody here proposed.
COPS AREN’T ALLOWED TO PUT PEOPLE IN REHAB! Has the judicial system not made it to Croatia yet??
Boru
This is somewhat false. The police can take you to the emergency room as a psych patient with a temporary hold, but, the evidentiary standard is quite high.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 11:48 am
(This post was last modified: December 3, 2022 at 11:49 am by Ranjr.)
Like I asked my nephews, friend's kids, kid's friends, etc. when they hit that libertarian phase: have you studied history at all? Have you looked at the events of the past that lead to laws, regulations, and systems to enforce them? Is the best solution to fixing a system that only works part of the time to completely do away with it?
And in answering, show your math.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 11:51 am
(December 3, 2022 at 11:28 am)Jehanne Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 11:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: COPS AREN’T ALLOWED TO PUT PEOPLE IN REHAB! Has the judicial system not made it to Croatia yet??
Boru
This is somewhat false. The police can take you to the emergency room as a psych patient with a temporary hold, but, the evidentiary standard is quite high.
Which is absolutely NOT the same as putting someone in rehab.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 1:03 pm
Actually, the standards aren't that high. I've had that happen multiple times just on another person's say-so.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 1:17 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 1:03 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Actually, the standards aren't that high. I've had that happen multiple times just on another person's say-so.
Putting someone on a psychiatric hold is an attempt to determine if they’re a looney. Putting someone in rehab is an attempt to help them not be a looney.
Worlds apart.
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RE: What do you think about the police?
December 3, 2022 at 3:15 pm
(December 3, 2022 at 11:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 3, 2022 at 11:28 am)Jehanne Wrote: This is somewhat false. The police can take you to the emergency room as a psych patient with a temporary hold, but, the evidentiary standard is quite high.
Which is absolutely NOT the same as putting someone in rehab.
Boru
If you are under a temporary order and in need of rehab, they will perform rehab.
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