If a biological man can choose to be female, how does he decide what those characteristics are. What are some characteristics of a female and which are of a male?
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 Quote:If a biological man can choose to be female, how does he decide what those characteristics are. What are some characteristics of a female and which are of a male?What is male and what is female is up to the individual. Gender identity is personnel. So you would need to ask a trans person that.... 
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December 4, 2022 at 11:55 pm
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(December 4, 2022 at 11:40 pm)Lek Wrote: If a biological man can choose to be female, how does he decide what those characteristics are. What are some characteristics of a female and which are of a male? I think you raise a good point here. This is a challenge to people who think that only science tells us what is true. If someone with all the biological characteristics of a man says that she's a woman, I think we should believe her. However, I don't see how this is a scientific conclusion. Science works as well as it does because it relies on empirical, quantifiable, repeatable experiments. What empirical, quantifiable, and repeatable experiment can prove or disprove (or falsify) a person's unshakable belief that she is a woman? We certainly don't accept feelings as scientific proof in any other area. If we did, we'd have to accept it when people say they have the feeling that God is with them, or that angels guide them, or any number of other beliefs that scientists tend not to accept. In short: I believe trans people, but not for scientific reasons. Quote:I think you raise a good point here. This is a challenge to people who think that only science tells us what is true.There is nothing contrary to science about accepting gender identities. There is a huge one about people saying they feel there is an invisible man who lives in the sky. One is an existential claim the other is an individual one. So this comparison is absurd.
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Yeah, it is the same reason why people believe other people that they are hungry because they feel hungry. The mechanism usually works unless the person is eating too much, then the scientists look into the mechanism of hunger. Similarly, scientists also look into someone's desire to be the other gender if they want to go under surgery.
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 (December 4, 2022 at 11:51 pm)Helios Wrote:Quote:If a biological man can choose to be female, how does he decide what those characteristics are. What are some characteristics of a female and which are of a male?What is male and what is female is up to the individual. Gender identity is personnel. So you would need to ask a trans person that.... So the definition of female is whatever I think It is? Can anyone define man or woman other than "what we think it is"? I guess a bear is whatever I think it is. Quote:So the definition of female is whatever I think It is? Can anyone define man or woman other than "what we think it is"? I guess a bear is whatever I think it is.Your gender identity is whatever you think it is. You don't get to decide for anyone else. Don't twist my words...
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It's such a tired bit of culture warrioring - but I have always wondered whether what we're supposed to get from this is that their christian feels are about on par with someone's trans feels? Remind me, what do the afflicted nutjobs think about the accuracy of those trans feels again?
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(December 5, 2022 at 12:09 am)Helios Wrote:Your words are clear. Can you define male or female gender other than what we think it is? What is a woman? What is a man? If you want to stick to your initial definition, I'll accept that. It can speak for itself. I'll let it rest.Quote:So the definition of female is whatever I think It is? Can anyone define man or woman other than "what we think it is"? I guess a bear is whatever I think it is.Your gender identity is whatever you think it is. You don't get to decide for anyone else. Don't twist my words... (December 5, 2022 at 12:26 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's such a tired bit of culture warrioring - but I have always wondered whether what we're supposed to get from this is that their christian feels are about on par with someone's trans feels? Remind me, what do the afflicted nutjobs think about the accuracy of those trans feels again?Somebody please give me a definition for male gender and female gender! |
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