Compulsory Voting

[The Grand Nudger]

In 2020, the FDA tested over four million samples of cows milk for three different families of antibiotics. They found trace for at least one in .013% of samples. This is because the use of antibiotics is heavily restricted due to point of sale issues in the US. It would be imprudent to ban the preventative use of antibiotics, as well as cruel from the point of view of animal welfare...and there is as of yet no clear indication that doing so would provide any benefit that the current regulation schemes, which do exist and are ubiquitous in the developed world, do not.

There are similar regulation schemes in place for antibiotic and pesticide use in plants - and..here again, it's plant based product that end up the majority offenders in trace and contamination issues.

[emjay]

I suppose it could have its benefits - as long as there was an 'abstain' box you could tick (ie the equivalent of not voting) if that really was the position you wanted to communicate - for instance the Brexit referendum could've gone very differently with compulsory voting since, imo, it was complacency that lost it for our side (Remainers)... that vs Brexiteers having their first real voice in years, not too surprising in hindsight that they'd come out in droves, but sadly we didn't also.

[Angrboda]

[The Architect Of Fate]

OK, who is NOW spreading vegan propaganda?

Nope facts 

While you're simply spreading the dairy industry's propaganda .....

[The Architect Of Fate]

You know, I often get amazed at how ignorant people are about global problems. Superbacteria, caused primarily by us preventatively giving antibiotics to farmed animals, are probably the greatest threat to human race today. That's a way more serious issue than global warming is... But almost nothing is done about it. No government has yet banned preventative use of antibiotics in farmed animals. And very little money is given to the research on new classes of antibiotics (which, if we are lucky, may be used to fight superbacteria). That, in my opinion, is yet another failure of democracy: people don't know about that issue (or they at least greatly underestimate the severity of the problem), so nothing is done to mitigate it until it's too late.

And when my grandchildren, living in a world destroyed by pandemics of superbacteria, ask me "Did you do everything you could to prevent this?", what should I tell them? I can show them this amazingly ignorant comment, so they will get the idea of why we did almost nothing. I will be able to tell them that I was a vegan, so that I at least did not support the system that causes superbacteria... but that's basically it.

The use of Antibiotics in livestock is heavily regulated......


Again you demonstrate you don't know what you are talking about and are simply talking......

[FlatAssembler]

As a fun fact, chicken is, perhaps, the least efficient and sustainable protein source in all of conventional ag. It relies heavily on subsidies and exploited labor alongside absolutely horrific living conditions for the stock as well as an endless supply of cheap monocultured grains. In the wild, chickens are half market size, taste like shit, and lay an egg a month. Cattle, by comparison, are fucking machines...

What source do you have for that? As far as I can see, cow's milk and chicken's meat are fairly similar in their efficiency. It takes around 2 kg of human-edible grain to produce 1 kg of chicken's meat, and it also takes around 2 kg of human-edible grain to produce 1 litre of cow's milk. If you are talking about milk. If you are talking about beef, then beef and efficiency should not be in the same sentence.

[FlatAssembler]

In 2020, the FDA tested over four million samples of cows milk for three different families of antibiotics. They found trace for at least one in .013% of samples.

I am not talking about the danger of eating trace amounts of antibiotics with animal products. I am talking about the danger of antibiotics given to farmed animals giving a chance for superbacteria to develop. Whether small amounts of antibiotics are present in meat or milk or eggs is entirely irrelevant.

and..here again, it's plant based product that end up the majority offenders

That's simply not true. Egg industry is the biggest offender. By far. Most antibiotics these days are given to chicken. Estimates vary, some are as high as 90%, but there is no doubt it's more than 50%.

[FlatAssembler]

You know, I often get amazed at how ignorant people are about global problems. Superbacteria, caused primarily by us preventatively giving antibiotics to farmed animals, are probably the greatest threat to human race today. That's a way more serious issue than global warming is... But almost nothing is done about it. No government has yet banned preventative use of antibiotics in farmed animals. And very little money is given to the research on new classes of antibiotics (which, if we are lucky, may be used to fight superbacteria). That, in my opinion, is yet another failure of democracy: people don't know about that issue (or they at least greatly underestimate the severity of the problem), so nothing is done to mitigate it until it's too late.

And when my grandchildren, living in a world destroyed by pandemics of superbacteria, ask me "Did you do everything you could to prevent this?", what should I tell them? I can show them this amazingly ignorant comment, so they will get the idea of why we did almost nothing. I will be able to tell them that I was a vegan, so that I at least did not support the system that causes superbacteria... but that's basically it.

The use of Antibiotics in livestock is heavily regulated......


Again you demonstrate you don't know what you are talking about and are simply talking......

It's not regulated in the way that makes sense epidemiologically and with regard to animal rights.

[The Architect Of Fate]

It's not regulated in the way that makes sense epidemiologically and with regard to animal rights.

Yes it is 

[FlatAssembler]

as well as cruel from the point of view of animal welfare

What do you mean? It would end factory farming as we know it. Factory farming is made possible by preventative use of antibiotics.