If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist

[R-Farmer]

what makes cancer in Kids God's fault?

Did god create cancer and does it decide who it blesses cancer with?

All we have are the 6 days of creation for what God created. none of those days did god create cancer. He did say because we/Adam had sinned he would be subject to all the negative stuff God had previously shielded him from.

No God does not 'bless' people with cancer. At least no where in the Bible has God 'blessed' people with cancer.

[R-Farmer]

Do you generally agree, then, that the idea that no all powerful entity™ could have any reason to behave some specific way is a credible objection to the existence of a such a thing?  I can't imagine why such an objection would require a response if you didn't.

Put another way - what's the point in trying (and possibly failing) to provide such a reason if the entity in question either needs no such reason, or is not personally limited by said reason?

I think the reason God limits Himself is so that it affords us opportunities to make the choices He has put infront of us that we have. it also in a round about way allows us other opportunities to grow and mature spiritually.. Meaning when other people choose against what God wants it creates problems obstacles and learning experiences that force those who choose to serve to mature.

It's like a good Father allowing his son to stand up to the bully on the play ground, when clearly the father has the strength and ability to obliterate the 8 year old bully, who will not let the father's son on the slide.

Again God's strength is harnessed and controlled by His will. Being all powerful here means control, not being forced to always bring all your might to bear on a situation.

[The Grand Nudger]

If god was shielding adam from it, then it or the possibility of it was already there..and that came from somewhere. Is cancer where you draw the line and retract your previously stated commitment to a shitty god? Not orbital bombardment of cities...but cancer? I see, above, you're perfectly fine with soul forge ideology. Maybe god gives infants cancer to forge their parents souls.

I have an armchair theory, btw, that a given believers level of comfort with attributing any disease to it's god is in inverse proportion to their proximity to said disease in their lives - any cancer in your family? Is that what you guys die of? Is that how god plans to kill you....?

[emjay]

Even without that assumption though, it seems reasonable to say that 'want' and 'need' imply a lack, so an omni-everything God it seems would want or need nothing, and thus have no reason to create anything?

And if God is not an omni everything... But Rather an Alpha and Omega Which means he has the power authority and ability to limit Himself if His will so desires it?

This is another new one on me. Is that what you believe? And in this conception of God would he be able to permanently limit himself or just temporarily? If I was god I'd certainly want to turn off omniscience from time to time, just to stop with all the spoilers in my entertainment But as to permanent limitations... ie god giving up his powers... that would make an interesting and thought-provoking story, and it to some extent did in Superman 2, when he walked into that machine and gave up his powers.

[h4ym4n]

Did god create cancer and does it decide who it blesses cancer with?

All we have are the 6 days of creation for what God created. none of those days did god create cancer. He did say because we/Adam had sinned he would be subject to all the negative stuff God had previously shielded him from.

No God does not 'bless' people with cancer. At least no where in the Bible has God 'blessed' people with cancer.

I’ll bet the little child praying to god to take away the cancer that miraculously entered their body is evil.

Wouldn’t you R-Farmer?  One thing is definitely fact, god stills allow cancer to kill what it created.

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

[R-Farmer]

It does not have to end there.

And I don't have to get a knock on my door by some person who claims she's my long lost cousin, I mean that isn't a very likely scenario, the afterlife isn't very likely either, let's just say the afterlife isn't real because it probably isn't.

Are you familiar with sim theory?
This is a 3-4 min video of Elon musk explaining sim theory.

https://youtu.be/2KK_kzrJPS8

In it he explains that there is a 1 in a billion's chance that we are in base reality.. Meaning that it is a billion times more likely we are in a simulation of some kind, than we are living in the prime time line.


So I would say with a 1:1,000,000,000 ratio, there is a fairly good chance that there is something beyond this life.

[The Grand Nudger]

So....are you a devotee of the cult of elmo, or the cult of christ?

[h4ym4n]

Do you generally agree, then, that the idea that no all powerful entity™ could have any reason to behave some specific way is a credible objection to the existence of a such a thing?  I can't imagine why such an objection would require a response if you didn't.

Put another way - what's the point in trying (and possibly failing) to provide such a reason if the entity in question either needs no such reason, or is not personally limited by said reason?

I think the reason God limits Himself is so that it affords us opportunities to make the choices He has put infront of us that we have. it also in a round about way allows us other opportunities to grow and mature spiritually.. Meaning when other people choose against what God wants it creates problems obstacles and learning experiences that force those who choose to serve to mature.

It's like a good Father allowing his son to stand up to the bully on the play ground, when clearly the father has the strength and ability to obliterate the 8 year old bully, who will not let the father's son on the slide.

Again God's strength is harnessed and controlled by His will. Being all powerful here means control, not being forced to always bring all your might to bear on a situation.

Is there really a choice we can make when gods knows everything before we are born?

If I choose to not spend my eternity in hell and gods knows before I’m born that that isn’t happening, is there a choice?

Can I change gods plan?

[Ahriman]

All we have are the 6 days of creation for what God created. none of those days did god create cancer. He did say because we/Adam had sinned he would be subject to all the negative stuff God had previously shielded him from.

No God does not 'bless' people with cancer. At least no where in the Bible has God 'blessed' people with cancer.

I’ll bet the little child praying to god to take away the cancer that miraculously entered their body is evil.

Wouldn’t you R-Farmer?  One thing is definitely fact, god stills allow cancer to kill what it created.

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Dude, you're an atheist, don't quote the Bible. Please don't. It's tasteless.

[The Grand Nudger]

And if God is not an omni everything... But Rather an Alpha and Omega Which means he has the power authority and ability to limit Himself if His will so desires it?

This is another new one on me. Is that what you believe? And in this conception of God would he be able to permanently limit himself or just temporarily? If I was god I'd certainly want to turn off omniscience from time to time, just to stop with all the spoilers in my entertainment But as to permanent limitations... ie god giving up his powers... that would make an interesting and thought-provoking story, and it to some extent did in Superman 2, when he walked into that machine and gave up his powers.

That's exactly the story of christ.  When god became a man.  Without that, it was wondered how the magic was supposed to work.  To be an adequate paragon/sacrifice..it was believed... - god had to endure what we endure. Bloodgod is all about that blood.