Homosexuality

[Eilonnwy]

The idea that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances is a HYPOTHESIS. Meaning, it's has not been proven to be considered the ONE definitive cause. The only point I was making was that Homosexuality is not a choice, it's in the persons nature. The causes of it have not been concluded and is still very much for up to debate. There was nothing contradictory in my statement.

Please stop insisting that you are always right and know everything. You obviously refuse to consider any arguments that go against your own preconceptions.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Why does the cause of homosexuality matter?

Is someone here suggesting it needs to be "cured"?

[LEDO]

There is a group of people who are born "homosexuals." They are attracted to people of their own gender, no matter what. There are other people who are normally attracted to members of the opposite sex, but in certain situations (prison etc.) they engage in homosexual behavior. In one case it is a genetic, in another it is learned or chosen. Experiments with fruit flies (no pun intended) has shown this to be the case. Some fruit flies are "gay." When straight fruit flies are placed with a group of gay fruit flies, they will mimic their behavior.

I can't imagine one having to "choose" to be homosexual. Who the hell would anyone choose that? As Jon Stewert asked Mike Huckabee, "When did you choose to become straight?"

[g-mark]

The idea that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances is a HYPOTHESIS. Meaning, it's has not been proven to be considered the ONE definitive cause. The only point I was making was that Homosexuality is not a choice, it's in the persons nature. The causes of it have not been concluded and is still very much for up to debate. There was nothing contradictory in my statement.

Please stop insisting that you are always right and know everything. You obviously refuse to consider any arguments that go against your own preconceptions.

Read the rest of the quote and goto your own posted link and read the info for yourself.

Studies have concluded that there is empirical evidence to support this hypothesis

The only point I was making was that Homosexuality is not a choice, it's in the persons nature.

Once again, show me your evidence thanks. Assertions are not conclusive evidence. Show me any emprical evidence at all. If your assertions are correct, there will be some type of evidence.

Please stop insisting that you are always right and know everything. You obviously refuse to consider any arguments that go against your own preconceptions.

I am doing no such thing. I have forwarded evidence to suggest that I maybe correct. It isn't me who is right it is the empirical evidence. Why should I stop because you don't like to hear the truth of the matter. You wanted to debate the subject with me.

I will consider arguments when referenced to evidence, data or studies with empirical evidence. That is tested ans observed by qualified persons. Opinion, assertions and stabs in the dark are not sufficient answers for me to accept.

So, No I won't stop debating.

Why does the cause of homosexuality matter?

Is someone here suggesting it needs to be "cured"?

I have found most homosexual people I have met feel the need to justify their own behaviour. They have very strong ideas about things and are very stubborn. Men are the worst. Men that act like Women. I have also obseved them to be touchy about many issues, negative, and usually aggressive if they don't get their own way. Most have major issues associated with being gay. Some don't know what they are, try to commit suicide, end up severly depressed and very confussed. They scare alot of people and consider themselves to have every right to do so.

In a single word they are 'selfish'.

But that is just my own observations of some of the gay people I have met.

@LEDO. Have you forgotten that we are all human and are capable of our own deductions. Most of us go through the same thought process at some point in our lives.

I personally think that gay people have a negative affect on society.

[Eilonnwy]

I am listening to the Skeptics Guide to the Universe and in their "Science or Fiction" segment a news article was featured in which existing research concludes that homosexual behavior exists in nearly all animals.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...122106.htm

More proof that homosexuality occurs in nature.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Thinking about it, about homosexuality, I think the biggest single think I feel about it is mild irritation ... being gay (we seem to be told) is a big thing, coming out is a big thing, say it loud, "I'm gay and I'm proud", gay rights, this that and everything else.

You know although I broadly speaking support gay rights (there are limits but then I think there are limits to just about everything except human stupidity) the fact is I'm bored of it all ... I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse about gays (unless they're good looking lesbians indulged in something I like to fantasise about) and I really don't see why I should.

On the plus side I care more about gay rights than I do about "religious freedom", well ... apart from the fact that I think they have too fucking much already

Kyu

[Eilonnwy]

It may not seem like a big deal to you, but it is to the people denied basic civil rights because they are gay.

And g-marks post bears no response not only because he's band, but he is clearly prejudiced against gays based on his statement that we're "selfish" and have a "negative effect on society"

[Kyuuketsuki]

It may not seem like a big deal to you, but it is to the people denied basic civil rights because they are gay.

I didn't say it wasn't a big deal, I just said I was bored of it ... partly because everyone wants their "rights" (I don't believe in rights anyway) and few want the associated responsibilities.

And g-marks post bears no response not only because he's band, but he is clearly prejudiced against gays based on his statement that we're "selfish" and have a "negative effect on society"

Er ... g-mark? What's his post got to do with mine and do I give a shit?

Kyu

[Tiberius]

Kyu, would you mind explaining why you don't believe in rights in a separate thread? You've brought it up several times and it seems like it could make for good discussion, I just don't know how I'd start a thread seeing as I believe in rights

I'd also like to know how you can both disbelieve in rights but at the same time support copyrights...which are rights themselves. Contradiction no?

[Kyuuketsuki]

Kyu, would you mind explaining why you don't believe in rights in a separate thread? You've brought it up several times and it seems like it could make for good discussion, I just don't know how I'd start a thread seeing as I believe in rights. I'd also like to know how you can both disbelieve in rights but at the same time support copyrights...which are rights themselves. Contradiction no?

You realise you've asked me to explain before, I did and you seemed reasonably satisfied.

Copyright is a law not a right.

Kyu