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The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
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RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
It’s interesting that the most derogatory epithet for atheism he could come up with is to falsely accuse it of having some of the attributes of Christianity.
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#32
RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
Ok, here's a syllogism: Religion generically is any claim about God. But Atheism is a claim about God. Therefore, Atheism is a Religion.

Again, by comparison: Political Systems are anything to do with government. But Anarchy is something to do with Government. Therefore, Anarchy is a Political System. Anarchists will try to evade this conclusion by claiming Anarchy, "being no political system at all", allegedly does not come under such. But it does, because it makes certain claims about political systems that are no in way self-evident and in fact rejected by the vast multitude of humanity. The same is true of Atheism.

A-Mars-ism, as defined in the other thread, likewise comes under Astronomical Systems, even if it claims "it is no astronomical system at all" because it is a denial that the Planet Mars exists.

As for the 13 legged spider or whatever it is, I simply reject it without needing to postulate anything else. But that's not comparable to Atheism because you've to postulate multiple things like for e.g. that everyone reporting a veridical NDE is either deluded or lying about it, even when this is well documented and confirmed by competent doctors etc. Therefore, Atheism is more analogous to A-Mars-ism. 

And in any case, granting for the sake of the argument that Atheism is not a Religion, it still would certainly come at least under some such thing as a particular School of Philosophy. It has to give reasons in its favor and of course the history of those who adhered to it and promoted it etc can be studied. Darwin, Marx, and others did do this, some of them quite vehemently; witness the League of Militant Atheists in Soviet Russia.

"The League of Militant Atheists[1] (Russian: Сою́з Вои́нствующих Безбо́жников, tr. Soyúz Voínstvuyushchikh Bezbózhnikov, lit. 'The League of Militant Godless'[2]), also Society of the Godless (Russian: О́бщество безбо́жников, tr. Óbshchestvo Bezbózhnikov) or Union of the Godless (Russian: Сою́з Безбо́жников, tr. Soyúz Bezbózhnikov), was an atheistic and antireligious organization of workers and intelligentsia that developed in Soviet Russia under influence of the ideological and cultural views and policies of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1925 to 1947.[3] It consisted of party members, members of the Komsomol youth movement, those without specific political affiliation, workers and military veterans.[4"] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_...t_Atheists

These were influenced by Marx and his Atheistic Philosophy.
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#33
RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
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RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
(July 25, 2023 at 1:03 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Ok, here's a syllogism: Religion generically is any claim about God. But Atheism is a claim about God. Therefore, Atheism is a Religion.

Well, none of the premises are true, but at least the conclusion is a non sequitur. I dare you to come up with a worse argument.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
Nope atheism is merely a lack of belief in the theist claims it makes no claims in itself. It's not a philosophy as there is no unifying principles or beliefs that are exclusive to it and no principles of any group or person you can exclusively point to that are a result in said lack of belief. So pointing to the Soviets or individual non believing figures to try invent such a thing is an act of futility.
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#36
RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
(July 25, 2023 at 1:03 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: These were influenced by Marx and his Atheistic Philosophy.

That is true, however, and this is important, we aren't them.
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#37
RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
I was wondering how liberalism worked its way into the title of this thread when 52% of self-dentifying liberals in the USA also identify as Christians.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/rel...y/liberal/
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#38
RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
Quote:Ok, here's a syllogism: Religion generically is any claim about God. But Atheism is a claim about God. Therefore, Atheism is a Religion.
Nope it's only positive claims about gods. Not accepting someones claims is not itself a claim. So nope not a religion And have dealt with all your false comparisons already they fail as hard as the rest of your attempts to invent an ideology for your opposition.
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–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#39
RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
Quote:These were influenced by Marx and his These were influenced by Marx and his Atheistic Philosophy..
No such thing as Atheistic Philosophy.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#40
RE: The founding fathers/mothers of Modern Atheism/Liberalism.
If your god knows everything, why is it so stupid?
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