Why did Communists promote Evolution?

[The Architect Of Fate]

"It seems almost every few weeks the media announce a new ‘dramatic find’ which overturns previous ideas about ‘human evolution’. The Star (South Africa, July 28, 1995) described the finding of four incomplete foot bones as a ‘dramatic fossil find’. That such skimpy finds can radically modify evolutionists’ ideas demonstrates the flimsy nature of the various evolutionary hypotheses. That the fossil experts still get so excited over a few fragments of bone shows how short of hard evidence the whole story is.

This is clearly hyperbole. The theory isn't changed every week hell it's barely changed in 100 years. The fact we find any fossils period is something to get excited about regardless of what's found. The theory is robust and full of examples of exactly what would need if the theory is true. Of course, nothing will impress creationists because of their motivated skepticism. But can't please everyone 

It seems outrageous that so much is made of so little. It seems that little has changed since the days of ‘Nebraska man’ (Hesperopithecus haroldcookii), publicized in 1922. The Illustrated London News published an artist’s impression of a whole family of ‘ape-men’, based on the finding of a single tooth! A few years later the tooth was found to be that of a peccary, a type of pig, but that did not make headlines like Nebraska man’s ‘discovery’."

https://creation.com/not-another-ape-man

Once again have there been mistakes? sure does that invalidate the whole theory  ....Nope. Also, why would they make a big deal out of said mistake?


This is what happens when you use creationist sources you get very silly comments like this 

[The Architect Of Fate]

Piltdown Man was called the so-called "Earliest Englishman for a long time". He was nothing of that sort. It was a deliberate plant, a false hoax, to destroy the Christians Faith of Millions in England and elsewhere, as it successfully did, before the fraud was exposed. It was just an animal wrongly claimed as human. This is what Communists do. We know all their deceptions and tricks very well. Commie Stalin killed 10 MN mostly Christian Ukrainians in the Holodomor, then lied that he was invading Poland in order to "protect Ukrainians" there. These Evolutionist lies have only purpose: to rob you of your Eternal Happiness, which we Christians are working to gain back for you

And conspiracy think. 

Was Piltdown Man a hoax? Yup

Was it a vast conspiracy to brainwash Christians? Nope 

Does it in any way challenge the validity of Evolutionary Theory? Nope 

Did evolution in any way rely on Piltdown Man? Nope 

Is this person a complete nutcase? Yup 

[The Architect Of Fate]

Bottom Line: Communists promote Evolution, as I documented in the OP that the Chinese Communists did to various Christian Bishops they persecuted in their camps, because they are liars, killers, and want to rob people of both temporal and above Eternal Happiness. That's why they promote Evolution: to weaken the West. That's what Piltdown Man was all about. A disgraceful hoax.

They also promote gravity ...Because it's true 

And Piltdown Man in no way invalidates evolution 

[The Architect Of Fate]

There is a long list of defunct ‘ape-men’. Neanderthal man heads the list. Evolutionists* hailed remains found in 1856 as man’s ancestor, but now it is admitted that the supposedly stooped posture was due to disease, and Neanderthal is really just a variant of the human kind.

Well, this is false. Neanderthals are regarded as a full species and a number of them have been found no they were not just humans with a malformity that's an embarrassingly out-of-date opinion 

But what can we expect Creationists are stuck in the past it's why they need to keep bringing up Piltdown man or Nebraska man because it's all they have.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Other obsolete ‘ape-men’ include Ramapithecus, Sivapithecus, various species of Australopithecus, and others, which have now been abandoned. The publicity given the claims made by palaeontologists about these fossils coerced many ordinary people to accept human evolution as a fact. The media greet the new ‘discoveries’ with great fanfare, but the demise of the old ones tends to be ignored, leaving laymen with the impression that human evolution is a fact.

This is false too none of these have been abandoned as being related to humans or being branches of human relatives (as humans are apes thus we are related to all apes)

Again a creationist source pulling claims out of its ass.

[Nishant Xavier]

"But Neanderthals weren’t the slow-witted louts we’ve imagined them to be — not just a bunch of Neanderthals. As a review of findings published last year put it, they were actually “very similar” to their contemporary Homo sapiens in Africa, in terms of “standard markers of modern cognitive and behavioral capacities.” We’ve always classified Neanderthals, technically, as human — part of the genus Homo. But it turns out they also did the stuff that, you know, makes us human.

Neanderthals buried their dead. They made jewelry and specialized tools. They made ocher and other pigments, perhaps to paint their faces or bodies — evidence of a “symbolically mediated worldview,” as archaeologists call it. Their tracheal anatomy suggests that they were capable of language and probably had high-pitched, raspy voices, like Julia Child. They manufactured glue from birch bark, which required heating the bark to at least 644 degrees Fahrenheit — a feat scientists find difficult to duplicate without a ceramic container. In Gibraltar, there’s evidence that Neanderthals extracted the feathers of certain birds — only dark feathers — possibly for aesthetic or ceremonial purposes. And while Neanderthals were once presumed to be crude scavengers, we now know they exploited the different terrains on which they lived. They took down dangerous game, including an extinct species of rhinoceros. Some ate seals and other marine mammals. Some ate shellfish. Some ate chamomile. (They had regional cuisines.) They used toothpicks."

From: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/magaz...e-too.html

[Deesse23]

Here is the Nature Journal: "The Book of Genesis puts Adam and Eve together in the Garden of Eden, but geneticists’ version of the duo — the ancestors to whom the Y chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA of today’s humans can be traced —

....and here id like to pause for a second and ask an important question. 

There is something i just dont understand. I am going to ask this, of course, to the forum, not to Nx, since he has constantly lied, and will keep lying about his lies. It goes as far as down to the core of his belief:
As Thump has hinted, the RCC has accepted the Theory of Evolution, yet NX denies it. NX must know that his belief is NOT entirely compatible with catholicism, yet he considers himself to be a catholic. Why not keep being a christian and at least be honest about this little part of your belief and be some sort of evangelical, evolution denying fundamentalist baptist denomination? He seems to be inconsistent and intellectually dishonest even WITHIN his own belief system. Is it that there is something special that led him to catholicism or binds him to catholicism, although he obviously does not agree with it? If he cant be honest with himself, i cant expect him to be honest to us, and then there is his posting history here....
I am really curious, and its really sad that NX can not be asked directly, since, as i mentioned, he is engaged in so many blatant lies, that literally nothing regarding his belief can be accepted without being checked, and i can not check his internal monologues.

Now that we have established that he wont be a trustworthy source of information for me:  I never was religious, but i know many of you were, so maybe you can shed some light for me on the thought processes here.

My question is:
how do people like him reconcile that their holy book condems lying, but evidently lying is essential to his presence here in order to convert people?

Often it is said "lying for Jesus.......". Is it really this? Are these kind of people really thinking that lying for a good cause is ok, although lying is a mortal sin? End justifies the means?

Or is it them thinking their god is stupid and wont see this? I know he is allegedly omnipresent and omniscient, but i know that the religious/catholics DO think that way sometimes.
We have a meal here in southern Germany, a pasta. Its called "little god foolers". Its meat wrapped in pasta so god cant see the meat inside on a Friday. Is it that people like NX honestly think their god wont see them lying although he is supposed to be clearly able to do so?

Another explanation, and the most probable according to Occams Razor would be: Intellectual laziness, caused by obsession with religious belief. He simply reads his script. Yes he may engage in some conversation after starting a topic, but as soon as the discussion is closed, he seems to go back, pretend it never happened and repeat all the same lies, misinterpetations and other falsehods he was just being informed of.
Maybe i am overthinking and we just are dealing with inclredibly uninformed people, who are intellectually lazy, thus they will never learn, since they dont bother to learn. Their main focus is their religious belief, and everything else, like truth, honesty, personal integrity is compeltely subordinate. This would be consistent with the MO we have seen here from him. This also would be in alignment with WLC (who NX seem to hold in high regards) who also puts religious belief above any truth found otherwise. 

Seriously: What the fuck is going on in such a mind? I know its most probably irrational, there is clear dishonesty to others, most probably being a result of dishonesty to oneself, i am not asking for a justification, i am looking for an explanation.

Thanks

Example:
In his evolution thread he strawmanned science with a "single couple of mEVE / Adam". he then was informed that this is untrue. Science claims that there was a woman, of whom we all are decendants, but there were OTHER WOMEN of whom we are NOT all decendants (and whose lineages nid NOT die out, which is a kind of sub-strawman he has put up).

Now, he just repeats his old strawman (much like WLC, whom he admires so much) as if he was never corrected. Its not about the truth of the claim, its about the strawman, which, for some reason he desperately keeps up and arguing against.

In his threads and replies, this pattern is pretty apparent and it seems to be a centerpiece of the way he engages.

[Nishant Xavier]

"For a time in the 1960s and '70s, Ramapithecus was thought to be a distinct genus that was the first direct ancestor of modern humans (Homo sapiens) before it became regarded as that of the orangutan ancestor Sivapithecus.

Simons’s theory was strongly supported by his student English-born American anthropologist David Pilbeam and soon gained wide acceptance among anthropologists. The age of the fossils (about 14 million years) fit well with the then-prevailing notion that the ape-human split had occurred at least 15 million years ago. The first challenge to the theory came in the late 1960s from American biochemist Allan Wilson and American anthropologist Vincent Sarich, who, at the University of California, Berkeley, had been comparing the molecular chemistry of albumins (blood proteins) among various animal species. They concluded that the ape-human divergence must have occurred much later than Ramapithecus. (It is now thought that the final split took place some 6 million to 8 million years ago.)

Wilson and Sarich’s argument was initially dismissed by anthropologists, but biochemical and fossil evidence mounted in favour of it. Finally, in 1976, Pilbeam discovered a complete Ramapithecus jaw, not far from the initial fossil find, that had a distinctive V shape and thus differed markedly from the parabolic shape of the jaws of members of the human lineage. He soon repudiated his belief in Ramapithecus as a human ancestor, and the theory was largely abandoned by the early 1980s. Ramapithecus fossils subsequently were found to resemble those of the fossil primate genus Sivapithecus, which is now regarded as ancestral to the orangutan; the belief also grew that Ramapithecus probably should be included in the Sivapithecus genus."

From: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ramapithecus

[Nishant Xavier]

I know Evolutionists claim Mitochondrial Eve was not the only woman, but allegedly one of multiple women whose female descendants now allegedly don't have the Mitochondrial DNA of these hypothetical missing women. They have to claim that to support their Theory. They also denied Y chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve lived together. Then the evidence became clear that they did. Evolutionists will get there, in time. See above on Ramapithecus.

[arewethereyet]

"For a time in the 1960s and '70s, Ramapithecus was thought to be a distinct genus that was the first direct ancestor of modern humans (Homo sapiens) before it became regarded as that of the orangutan ancestor Sivapithecus.

Simons’s theory was strongly supported by his student English-born American anthropologist David Pilbeam and soon gained wide acceptance among anthropologists. The age of the fossils (about 14 million years) fit well with the then-prevailing notion that the ape-human split had occurred at least 15 million years ago. The first challenge to the theory came in the late 1960s from American biochemist Allan Wilson and American anthropologist Vincent Sarich, who, at the University of California, Berkeley, had been comparing the molecular chemistry of albumins (blood proteins) among various animal species. They concluded that the ape-human divergence must have occurred much later than Ramapithecus. (It is now thought that the final split took place some 6 million to 8 million years ago.)

Wilson and Sarich’s argument was initially dismissed by anthropologists, but biochemical and fossil evidence mounted in favour of it. Finally, in 1976, Pilbeam discovered a complete Ramapithecus jaw, not far from the initial fossil find, that had a distinctive V shape and thus differed markedly from the parabolic shape of the jaws of members of the human lineage. He soon repudiated his belief in Ramapithecus as a human ancestor, and the theory was largely abandoned by the early 1980s. Ramapithecus fossils subsequently were found to resemble those of the fossil primate genus Sivapithecus, which is now regarded as ancestral to the orangutan; the belief also grew that Ramapithecus probably should be included in the Sivapithecus genus."

From: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ramapithecus

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