Palestine

[Pat Mustard]

The popular palestinian authorities were secular...and more secular than isreal......it's just that the ruling isreali regime decided that this..did not help them.  So they starved the secularists and fed the islamists, while promoting the theocratic authoritarian elements in their own government and populace.  

Still sure that isreal..instead of palestine... is your preferred option, because secular?

Yes.  At the current time, regardless of whatever happened in the past, Palestine would be Islamist.  Therefore, secular Israel is better than Islamist Gaza.

You honestly think Israel is secular? The current Israel that is controlled by far-right fundamentalist jews who are busy killing anybody who is non-jewish in the occupied lands of Palestine? The Israel that explicitly states in its constitution that it's a jewish only state?

[Anomalocaris]

Whether Israel is more or less secular than radical Islamists miss the point. The point is the ideology of the Jewish extremists are not as alienated from the interests of the developed world, and are not as closely tied to an ideology of restoring past theocratic conquests at the expense of the developed world, so are therefore far less unpalatable for pragmatic reasons.

[Deesse23]

The point is the ideology of the Jewish extremists are not as alienated from the interests of the developed world, and are not as closely tied to an ideology of restoring past theocratic conquests at the expense of the developed world, so are therefore far less unpalatable for pragmatic reasons.

Ultraorthodox Jews may not have conquest of foreign lands in mind. They may not be genocidal, ever
But
That that does not mean they are not dangerous to their own society, and it's surrounding countries.

Unemployment rate amongst ultraorthodox Jewish men is around 50%, because they prefer studying the Torah to having a.job. that's why they also don't care much about education in general. They leave earning money to their wifes. 50% of UO Jews in Israel are living in poverty. Yet they have 7 children on average. They don't care about financial well being either (similar to education).

I think people who don't care about education, like being poor, while having a lot of kids, is not what should be considered to be harmless. I also don't think this attitude aligns with the interests of the "developed world".

It's a danger to Israel and to the entire area of the levant.

[FrustratedFool]

Yes.  At the current time, regardless of whatever happened in the past, Palestine would be Islamist.  Therefore, secular Israel is better than Islamist Gaza.

You honestly think Israel is secular?  The current Israel that is controlled by far-right fundamentalist jews who are busy killing anybody who is non-jewish in the occupied lands of Palestine?  The Israel that explicitly states in its constitution that it's a jewish only state?

Secular in comparison, yes.  I mean technically the UK isn't secular either, but is in practice.  Israel is fairly Western/ democratic/ secular/ liberal.  Given the ME alternatives, it's better to have it than not.

[FrustratedFool]

The point is the ideology of the Jewish extremists are not as alienated from the interests of the developed world, and are not as closely tied to an ideology of restoring past theocratic conquests at the expense of the developed world, so are therefore far less unpalatable  for pragmatic reasons.

Ultraorthodox Jews may not have conquest of foreign lands in mind. They may not be genocidal, ever
But
That that does not mean they are not dangerous to their own society, and it's surrounding countries.

Unemployment rate amongst ultraorthodox Jewish men is around 50%, because they prefer studying the Torah to having a.job. that's why they also don't care much about education in general. They leave earning money to their wifes. 50% of UO Jews in Israel are living in poverty. Yet they have 7 children on average.  They don't care about financial well being either (similar to education).

I think people who don't care about education, like being poor, while having a lot of kids, is not what should be considered to be harmless. I also don't think this attitude aligns with the interests of the "developed world".

It's a danger to Israel and to the entire area of the levant.

Yes, all religions suck.  But the choice is between evils, and some are worse than others.

[Leonardo17]

I don’t think we still have time to fight “wars of religion” or “wars of territory” at this time. While a lot of “blah blah blah” is still going on in the UAE right now the Cedars of Lebanon are disappearing because of soaring temperatures due to climate change:
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/leb...r-AA1l0U8q
 
So it’s an issue of pure pragmatism. There is not going to be anything left for anyone “Between the Tigris and the Euphrates”.
 
And this goes to everyone. Reportedly, the “Emir” who is leading the COP28 has even said that “We would return to the stone age if we gave up fossil fuels for good”.
 
So we have to make a U-turn and we have to make it now.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think that expresses the reality of an oil barons existence well enough. They, personally, wouldn't have shit if it weren't for oil - and they know it.

[Rev. Rye]

Bibi is exasperated with how little international support he's getting:





Evidently, he hasn't figured out that, even if he is fighting a genocidal group like Hamas, using that as an excuse to commit crimes against humanity tends to not endear you to other developed nations.

[Pat Mustard]

Bibi is exasperated with how little international support he's getting:





Evidently, he hasn't figured out that, even if he is fighting a genocidal group like Hamas, using that as an excuse to commit crimes against humanity tends to not endear you to other developed nations.

Well, when you send in your soldiers with einsatzgruppen style orders, Bibi, what do you expect?

[Fake Messiah]

Pro-Palestinian protestors broke into Penn train station in New York and are occupying it.