Agnostic Atheism? Your opinions thread's landfill

[The Grand Nudger]

Speaking of immortals, and how myths can appear similar on the surface and yet carry vast difference just beneath...The idea of immortals does not feature very heavily in what we know of northern European myth. There are many instances of mortals being transported to "timeless realms" only to return ages later, being fully mortal the entire time. Mortals living out their lives in these "time altered" realms with visits to the overworld, seeming immortal to their fellow men but not actually being so. Even some of the "gods" of these pantheons can be seen as parts of this narrative, as many age and grow old as the narratives are handed down through time.

Again, evidence of our fantastic imaginations and ability to produce variation on a theme.

[HeyItsZeus]

If you are an atheist who does not acknowledged the possible existence of a god, or gods, then you deserve a badge of stupidity. You are making a claim based on no evidence, not an assumption.

A smart atheist assumes there is no God, for whatever good reason, not declare God(s) an impossible thing. There is no proof that there are no deities. The thing is there is no proof they exist either.

[The Grand Nudger]

Kind of came out of left field there unless I missed something...you're not quite correct in any case. "Jeff the god of biscuits"who just made three buttermilks appear on my desk this very minute does not exist. As evidenced by the fact that those buttermilk biscuits are not on my desk. Some other "Jeff the god of biscuits" may exist, but not the one that didn't deliver me those biscuits. Rinse and repeat. You know what does exist though? The fanciful tale of the buttermilk biscuit god that will now last for posterity (so long as these forums last and this post is archived)...cue mythology. Similarly, the gods that Tango has been describing do not exist (even though he only proposes that they were men) because they are the gods that set up some sort of prehistoric genocide, and then covorted around the world and through time spreading belief in themselves, all the while working in more genocides, because that's how whitey rolls. They do not exist because not only is there no evidence for this, the evidence we have strongly suggests otherwise...and I use the word strongly as the most neutral and gentle word I could think of with regards to this situation.

[houseofcantor]

If you are an atheist who does not acknowledged the possible existence of a god, or gods, then you deserve a badge of stupidity. You are making a claim based on no evidence, not an assumption.

A smart atheist assumes there is no God, for whatever good reason, not declare God(s) an impossible thing. There is no proof that there are no deities. The thing is there is no proof they exist either.

This atheist does not lack intelligence; furthermore metaphysics provides the explanation for gods. Identity enhancement, and nothing more. All the faith-based "evidence" for god is local to the identity; i.e. the one who manifests stigmata, the church with the icon who bleeds, the resurrected Christ. All require an investment of identity in terms of faith.

I invest my faith in love; and my contention that god does not exist is absolute.

As for the background noise that sprang up, I have a certain trust in dtango's character. We are all anti-something (I have no love of Christianity) but that does not make us evil nor racist; that too is artifact of identity. In terms of justification, my judgement is moral. Christianity is a flawed dogma beyond redemption, but the Christian is a human. A life; and it is my lot to love life.

[dtango]

Is this thread on random?

No, it is testing the knowledge of the “nothing knowing” agnostics.
Besides, you can start a new thread using these last posts.

Is it childish, Tango? He was very aware of the circum-stances, as well as the historical milieu.

“Yahweh's demonic intention was magically thwarted by the rite of circumcision”
For God’ sake, pal! That is something quite ridiculous for a university professor to say. The man quoted those who studied the texts. He did not read the texts himself

Why don't you send your stuff to Boston, or Cincinnati, and see what their Egyptology departments make of it? Better yet, look into publishing it in a real, peer-reviewed journal, like ARCE or JEA?

Will you translate for me? I do evaluate my English when I read my writings some time after they were written.

By the way, your reference to Achilles is inaccurate. He was entirely mortal. Better to have used Herakles, whose mortal flesh had to be burnt off in order for him to become fully a god.

Herakles was trying to become a god by doing the dirty work of the gods, Listen to a similar “hero,” but Egyptian this one:

I have carried out your slaughtering, you gods,
I have taken those who rebelled against you,
I have been placed in the rank of Nile-god.
[…]
They see me in the rank of Nile-god, for indeed I am a young god.(The Coffin Texts, Spell 317, translated by Faulkner)

Achilles case is the same as the one of the little Demophon whom Demeter tried to make a god by putting him on the fire and there is a similar myth about Isis.

Do not expect scholars to make anything out of these stories without reading and studying the funerary texts.

Surely you know the “Papyrus of Any” on which many chapters of the Book of the Dead are written. Well, the text says that in order for Any not to be killed “Sad.tw” was cut off his “XpA”. This word Wallis Budge translates as “corruptible matter,” obviously having in mind the mortal parts that the goddesses were trying to remove from the bodies of the infants. The word “XpA” occurs either determined with the ideogram for the flesh or with an ideogram which according to the “Gammar” is used for words denoting bodily growths or conditions especially of a morbid kind, exx. “wound”, “disease”, “navel”, “fat”, “swell”, also “excrement”.

OK, let us go a bit more deeper: The …bodily growths that had to be removed in order for the man being judged to survive were the bodily traits of the primitives, the “nnw”.
Now, what were the parents of the infants, for thousands of years and in both sides of the Atlantic, trying to achieve by deforming the skulls of their kids? Most probably they were trying to reduce the size of the supraorbital archs. Which is an act that hints at what?

The judgement’s aim was to locate the humans among the sub-human primitives. Thus those found to be human were thought as having had their primitive traits removed.
I regret to have to say that, as regards religion and mythology, your beloved scholars are but great great ignoramuses.

[dtango]

Similarly, the gods that Tango has been describing do not exist (even though he only proposes that they were men) because they are the gods that set up some sort of prehistoric genocide, and then covorted around the world and through time spreading belief in themselves,...
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They do not exist because not only is there no evidence for this, the evidence we have strongly suggests otherwise...

How about Pope and his bishops?
They belong to the race of gods and they are white too!

[Epimethean]

Holy ... shit ...

I regret to have to say that, as regards religion and mythology, your beloved ego is but evidence of great great imagination.

[houseofcantor]

I do not feel a need to defend dtango, however I consider his blunt manner may be off-putting to some.

In WWII America had concentration camps full of Japanese. Why was there no "Japanese holocaust?" Because A, we won, and B, we ain't that kind of asshole.

People respond with emotion rather than logic to the Holocaust. Having studied the economic conditionals of Germany leading up to the Third Reich, certain things become clear. I'm not even going to mention what things, you can do the research. The point is, it doesn't matter; the Jews were the victim of the crime, and I ain't saying shit to justify the criminals. Dtango seems to love putting his foot on the slippery slope, but I'm just not seeing in him the "manifestation of evil" certain other posters do.

And now he's going on about white. I'm Irish; roll up my pant legs, you'll see white. That's right; Irish is the master race, and if it weren't for whiskey...

For me, i'm seeing another dangerous trend in meme. If we're all Africans, how did we get to be white? Clothing plus cold weather. Clothing allowed us to explore. Cold weather gave us technology. Evolution led from black to white, circumstance led to civilization. Without knowledge of science and history and knowing these dangerous memes of religion, it ain't too hard to start seeing certain people as inferior.

The only racism I do is human; yet I'll often prefer canine. If anybody has to be inferior, it is obviously Christians.

[Epimethean]

Tango and his roll on how gods were men in big shoes is interesting, but it is hardly shaking the earth to its core. He operates on one particular level of metaphor and rejects all others as childish. The great minds of the world have considered these things (i.e., others have operated on such premises, even if not quite to this degree) and there has not been any massive shift in this direction. Perhaps Tango truly is about to break through the dusty curtain.

I doubt it, though.

[dtango]

Dtango seems to love putting his foot on the slippery slope, but I'm just not seeing in him the "manifestation of evil" certain other posters do.

What I’m saying is that Jews made a fatal mistake and they paid for it dearly: They took no lessons from their own history.
I admire them for their great victory in the Warsaw ghetto but I am unable to comprehend how did it happen that their leaders allowed all those people to go to their death unaware of what was going on in the concentration camps.

If a criminal harms a child because the parents neglected to protect it. The parents are to be blamed too. Those who were teaching the Jewish people to remain Jewish and strangers in foreign countries, they had an obligation to care for them. Those I blame and not the people!

And now he's going on about white. I'm Irish; roll up my pant legs, you'll see white. That's right; Irish is the master race, and if it weren't for whiskey...

Irish are excluded because Che was half Irish (and half Basque! How could God create such a creature?)


I love Che! This portrait of him I’ve made out of stone.

For me, i'm seeing another dangerous trend in meme. If we're all Africans, how did we get to be white? Clothing plus cold weather. Clothing allowed us to explore. Cold weather gave us technology. Evolution led from black to white, circumstance led to civilization.

I think I’ll put my foot on the slippery slope again but I feel that I may have the help of multiregionalist Epimethean on this one!

Homo sapiens sapiens were already white in South Africa when they commenced their trip to the north at around 100,000 years ago. Climate may change slightly the color of the skin but not the shape of the nose and the color of the eyes. I believe that the races were already there at the stage of Homo erectus
As for technology, Gobekli Tepe predates Stonehenge by 8,000 to 9,000 years and therefore I think that cold weather did not help the Cro-Magnons as it did not help the Neanderthals of Europe before them.