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In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 6:59 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 20, 2025 at 6:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘Without form and void.’ SDAs generally believe in a young Earth (though you yourself may not) and a literal interpretation of scripture.

Does formless and empty mean non-existent?

Hardly! It's clearly covered in water! Good old Mesopotamians!

Quote:No; the narrative is...

Narrative. That's the correct word.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 7:35 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Narrative. That's the correct word.

Right, narrative. The same thing you alluded to when you told emjay that The laws are just the stories that we mortals make up to explain the phenomena.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
Right. God didn't create the earth, and magic book is just the stories we made up. Central planks of SDA.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 6:59 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 20, 2025 at 6:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘Without form and void.’ SDAs generally believe in a young Earth (though you yourself may not) and a literal interpretation of scripture.

Does formless and empty mean non-existent? No; the narrative is literally one of preparing the planet for life, and not of creating a planet from scratch. I don't know a single SDA that would argue otherwise.

Perhaps you just fell for the nominal fallacy: You've heard the term Young Earth Creationism online in atheist circles and assumed the name gave you some kind of insight into people's actual beliefs.

From https://www.askanadventistfriend.com/adventist-beliefs/

Quote:Though He created the universe long ago, Genesis 1 and 2 teach that in six literal days, He created our earth and all life on it, including Adam and Eve and the rest of humanity.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 8:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: From https://www.askanadventistfriend.com/adventist-beliefs/

Ask An Adventist Friend .com? This is the digital literacy of a boomer lol. At least start with the official SDA website: 

"The literal six-day creation week comes from Genesis chapters 1 and 2. God hovers over a “formless and empty” earth enveloped in darkness, and begins His work (Genesis 1:2)."

Or perhaps something published in one of our magazines:

"Verse two seems to assume the prior existence of two primordial realities: “earth” or land and “the deep” or the sea."

Or, better yet, just don't waste my time pretending to know what SDAs believe based on subpar google searches.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 7:47 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 20, 2025 at 7:35 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Narrative. That's the correct word.

Right, narrative. The same thing you alluded to when you told emjay that The laws are just the stories that we mortals make up to explain the phenomena.

Yup. I'm not pretending to know The Truth. Enjoy your narrative.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 9:17 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 20, 2025 at 8:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: From https://www.askanadventistfriend.com/adventist-beliefs/

Ask An Adventist Friend .com? This is the digital literacy of a boomer lol. At least start with the official SDA website: 

"The literal six-day creation week comes from Genesis chapters 1 and 2. God hovers over a “formless and empty” earth enveloped in darkness, and begins His work (Genesis 1:2)."

Or perhaps something published in one of our magazines:

"Verse two seems to assume the prior existence of two primordial realities: “earth” or land and “the deep” or the sea."

Or, better yet, just don't waste my time pretending to know what SDAs believe based on subpar google searches.

Yes.  Lets go to your website.  Let's check that creation week tab.  What do we find, right at the start?  Oh, just the first words of magic book.  

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1)

I find creationism utterly fascinating. There's no more well discredited idea still floating around in the heads of contemporary human beings than creationist ideology, of any kind, by any name. Mostly...fantastically...because we very much went out looking for evidence to prove it true. From enlightenment natural philosophers to turn of the century bible and spade types. The great tragedy of science and archeology, as it were, from the middle ages to now.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 10:13 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Yup. I'm not pretending to know The Truth. Enjoy your narrative.

Right, you're pretending not to know narratives are how humans make sense of reality. Or perhaps, you're not pretending and you just don't know.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
"People Tell Stories" - A Christian, discussing why people believe in jesus. Only at AF.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(May 20, 2025 at 10:32 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 20, 2025 at 10:13 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Yup. I'm not pretending to know The Truth. Enjoy your narrative.

Right, you're pretending not to know narratives are how humans make sense of reality. Or perhaps, you're not pretending and you just don't know.

I'm not pretending that my narratives were handed down From On High.
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