Stupid things religious people say

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

^Actually, it really was impossible to know back then that slavery was wrong.

Boru

[Fake Messiah]

Well, they could have known just like they can today: they could see that these people were suffering. Indeed, there were some people, or should I say organizations, in the United States who would buy slaves or obtain them in different ways and then free them and send them back to Africa.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, they could have known just like they can today: they could see that these people were suffering. Indeed, there were some people, or should I say organizations, in the United States who would buy slaves or obtain them in different ways and then free them and send them back to Africa.

But they (the Church) didn’t view enslaved people as ‘people’ - that’s a fairly recent development. 

It’s a repugnant point of view to us, but in the period under discussion in Leo’s apology, it was not only Church policy but a moral certainty that non-Christians were sub-human and had no more rights than cattle or sheep. 

Boru

[Angrboda]

Well, they could have known just like they can today: they could see that these people were suffering. Indeed, there were some people, or should I say organizations, in the United States who would buy slaves or obtain them in different ways and then free them and send them back to Africa.

But they (the Church) didn’t view enslaved people as ‘people’ - that’s a fairly recent development. 

It’s a repugnant point of view to us, but in the period under discussion in Leo’s apology, it was not only Church policy but a moral certainty that non-Christians were sub-human and had no more rights than cattle or sheep. 

Boru

What about an inference from classical times when even Jews were enslaved. It sounds like you're saying the church had no counterexamples, but they did.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But they (the Church) didn’t view enslaved people as ‘people’ - that’s a fairly recent development. 

It’s a repugnant point of view to us, but in the period under discussion in Leo’s apology, it was not only Church policy but a moral certainty that non-Christians were sub-human and had no more rights than cattle or sheep. 

Boru

What about an inference from classical times when even Jews were enslaved.  It sounds like you're saying the church had no counterexamples, but they did.

I believe Jews fall into the category of non-Christians.

The point is that societies which practiced slavery did not view slavery as immoral.

Boru

[Angrboda]

What about an inference from classical times when even Jews were enslaved.  It sounds like you're saying the church had no counterexamples, but they did.

I believe Jews fall into the category of non-Christians.

The point is that societies which practiced slavery did not view slavery as immoral.

Boru

The idea that they had no questions because they thought they were subhuman is a stretch. The church thought they were suitable for conversion, so there's an obvious inconsistency in writing them off as subhuman.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I believe Jews fall into the category of non-Christians.

The point is that societies which practiced slavery did not view slavery as immoral.

Boru

The idea that they had no questions because they thought they were subhuman is a stretch.  The church thought they were suitable for conversion, so there's an obvious inconsistency in writing them off as subhuman.

Ok.

Boru

[Fake Messiah]

"Maybe if I believe enough , I will have super powers like those characters in the Bible"

Watch video: African pastor tried to part the sea like Prophet Moses, what happened next left his followers stunned

Dressed in a white robe, pastor asked his followers to keep reading from the Holy Bible as he ventured into the sea with a stick in his hand. In the clip, he ran towards the incoming waves while one of his followers read the Bible verses bent on his knees.

However, soon, the pastor turned around and tried running back to safety as the waves crashed over him. In the end, he abandoned the attempt and fled in fear.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

"Maybe if I believe enough , I will have super powers like those characters in the Bible"

Watch video: African pastor tried to part the sea like Prophet Moses, what happened next left his followers stunned

Dressed in a white robe, pastor asked his followers to keep reading from the Holy Bible as he ventured into the sea with a stick in his hand. In the clip, he ran towards the incoming waves while one of his followers read the Bible verses bent on his knees.

However, soon, the pastor turned around and tried running back to safety as the waves crashed over him. In the end, he abandoned the attempt and fled in fear.

Silly bugger. You need the Staff of Moses to part the waters and everybody knows it’s in Turkey, not Africa. Some people…

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

I believe Jews fall into the category of non-Christians.

The point is that societies which practiced slavery did not view slavery as immoral.

Boru

The idea that they had no questions because they thought they were subhuman is a stretch.  The church thought they were suitable for conversion, so there's an obvious inconsistency in writing them off as subhuman.

I think we're all familiar with the phenomenon of a society doing a thing..and especially to "other people" that the same society views as immoral.  It's probably more useful to view a societies moral beliefs through the lens of what is and is not permissible ingroup.  To wit, during the time period in question, the church banned christians from enslaving christians and the penalty for doing so was excommunication.  

OFC, they looked all kinds of other ways about this.  It was more convenient for their political situation. They knew better, they also knew they wanted money and power...and so it is that the head shaman of todays church of timeless morals turns into a moral relativist rather than acknowledge as much dryly and without prevarication. It's still too hot.....