The Fear Card

[kılıç_mehmet]

The capacity to do good deeds should be sufficient regardless of what one believes. Reward should be based on that, not belief.

This is why it's pointless to believe in a religion such as that.
If I'm not convinced that the religion I believe in is not the real one, and the God I believe in will not reward me for the worship of him, more than so the other that does not worship him(regardless of his good or evil deeds), why would I actually worship him? I'd rather go and worship a God that can appreciate my adoration.

In this case, the only thing God is concerned about is belief in him. If choosing not to have blind faith because you feel evidence is lacking is willingly disobeying him, God has some serious issues. The point is that God should be concerned about good behavior and not silly mind games.

Maybe it is, maybe it is not. And even if God has issues, why really go against a higher being that has issues? One must be a fool to do so.
The point is, God does not have to do anything. He certainly has no obligation to look after your wellbeing, as you're not even the size of a bacteria in comparison to him, as he is, the universe, the multiverse, or whatever. What do you hope to accomplish by telling God how he should behave himself?

So are you admitting it's faith through extortion?

In one way...But on the other hand, he promises you an eternal life of happiness in heaven. That counts as an incentive.

Because you say so?

The many faiths around the earth stand in testimony to this.

[Ace Otana]

You choose to change the context in which you have disobeyed God.
Simply does not really change the fact that you disobeyed him by not believing in him.
Of course, if we assume that God exist, for that matter of fact.
Besides, if he is malevolent, or dictatorial, if he demands worship, it'd be wiser to obey him, don't you agree? You cannot win against God, as you're not even of any worth, nor is this whole planet, if you take into consideration how a "one true god" sounds like. It sounds like a lot. He could simply wipe you off of the surface of the earth, and create a new earth if he wants to.
Meaning, if God exist, you are only here because he wants you to be here.
What his ultarior motives are, we can't know for sure.

No, I reject the claim not god himself. I don't know of any god to reject. Also if god really is that evil, it gives me more reason to stand against him. Hell bound or not, I will not follow.
I can win against god, he isn't real but I am.
There is no reason to assume that a god exists. I have nothing to fear. Besides, perhaps any god out there isn't as evil as you make him out to be, perhaps he allows both believers or nonbelievers into heaven and only judges our actions. Perhaps god will send you to hell and not us.

[kılıç_mehmet]

You choose to change the context in which you have disobeyed God.
Simply does not really change the fact that you disobeyed him by not believing in him.
Of course, if we assume that God exist, for that matter of fact.
Besides, if he is malevolent, or dictatorial, if he demands worship, it'd be wiser to obey him, don't you agree? You cannot win against God, as you're not even of any worth, nor is this whole planet, if you take into consideration how a "one true god" sounds like. It sounds like a lot. He could simply wipe you off of the surface of the earth, and create a new earth if he wants to.
Meaning, if God exist, you are only here because he wants you to be here.
What his ultarior motives are, we can't know for sure.

No, I reject the claim not god himself. I don't know of any god to reject. Also if god really is that evil, it gives me more reason to stand against him. Hell bound or not, I will not follow.
I can win against god, he isn't real but I am.
There is no reason to assume that a god exists. I have nothing to fear. Besides, perhaps any god out there isn't as evil as you make him out to be, perhaps he allows both believers or nonbelievers into heaven and only judges our actions. Perhaps god will send you to hell and not us.

It ultimately leads to the same place.
Besides, I've already told you that if God exists, and he is wrathful, you can certainly expect to be punished for your rebellion against him.
So, really, why would you go against him if he let himself be known to you?
And most religions say that God judges your actions. However, only the believers change their actions and behavior towards the way he wants you to act.
Obviously, there is no religion on earth that tells anyone that they will go to heaven or hell not on accord of knowledge on his being or faith, but by simply...the way they lived their mortal lives.
As I said, it makes no real sense.
And well, if God chooses to send me to hell and you to heaven, or the reverse, there is nothing you, or I can do about it anyways.

[Minimalist]

The many faiths around the earth stand in testimony to this.

Faith is a piss poor reason for damn near everything.

[Ace Otana]

It ultimately leads to the same place.
Besides, I've already told you that if God exists, and he is wrathful, you can certainly expect to be punished for your rebellion against him. So, really, why would you go against him if he let himself be known to you?

Because I'll never serve evil. "All it takes for evil to fester is for good men to do nothing". I won't bow to an evil dictator, I will stand for what I believe is right. If I must go to hell for it then fine, I'll be greater than god when it comes to compassion. You may be a pussy and serve the bastard in fear but I won't. Threats only encourage me to fight back.

And most religions say that God judges your actions. However, only the believers change their actions and behavior towards the way he wants you to act.
Obviously, there is no religion on earth that tells anyone that they will go to heaven or hell not on accord of knowledge on his being or faith, but by simply...the way they lived their mortal lives.
As I said, it makes no real sense.
And well, if God chooses to send me to hell and you to heaven, or the reverse, there is nothing you, or I can do about it anyways.

Don't care what most religions or any religion says. They can all be wrong. Most likely they are.
No one has managed to demonstrate the existence of god, so no reason to assume one exists.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Because I'll never serve evil. "All it takes for evil to fester is for good men to do nothing". I won't bow to an evil dictator, I will stand for what I believe is right. If I must go to hell for it then fine, I'll be greater than god when it comes to compassion. You may be a pussy and serve the bastard in fear but I won't. Threats only encourage me to fight back.

If we were speaking of humans, and talked of a prison instead of hell, you'd be correct, however, this is God that you are up against. You know, you can't really fight back against something like that, unless you have something similar to guard your back.

Don't care what most religions or any religion says. They can all be wrong. Most likely they are.
No one has managed to demonstrate the existence of god, so no reason to assume one exists.

If you don't it's fine.
I rather don't eliminate the concept altogether.

[Cinjin]

I think you have serious problems with reading&understanding what you just read.

Back peddle all you want. I understand perfectly.

Good, but of what good is this all to me? Or to God?
Really, if there is a God, none of this actually matters to him in any way.

This is a total deflection and you know it. This has nothing to do with your post or what I was addressing. Absolutely nothing.

Did I say that hell or god goads people into doing good, or evil?
I merely stated that without the fear of hell, or the existence of hell, religion would be pointless.

It's the same fucking thing. You wrote, quote, "the lack of a hell would quickly discourage any believers from believing in a religion, since they will know that they are doing it in vain, if the God does not punish the sinful, guilty, or the heathen."

You're saying hell is a consequence and a way for god to punish the guilty. Ergo, people will make an effort to be more moral. It's both obtuse and an outright lie for you to now deny that that is exactly what your point was.

Besides, I am on par with you on everything. I have not cheated, stolen, raped, killed...I am a law abiding citizen, and I'm a man welcomed and respected in almost every place in society.
So, what good is that to me, when it comes to God. IF God exists, everything I've done on this world, pales in comparison to him. At least the things I've done for myself, as we're only talking about individuals here.

Again with another nonsense deflection. This has nothing to do with what I addressed or your original stupidity. This is not a rebuttal, it's a whole new point that has NOTHING to do with what you originally said.

Tell me friend.

Make no doubt about this ... I am not your friend. You are a bigot and a liar who backpedals in thread after thread. I do not and would never associate with anyone who says the kind of racist shit that comes out of your mouth. You disguise it better than most others I know, but I assure you, nowhere in any reality would I ever call you such a beloved word as friend.

[Ace Otana]

If we were speaking of humans, and talked of a prison instead of hell, you'd be correct, however, this is God that you are up against. You know, you can't really fight back against something like that, unless you have something similar to guard your back.

Thing is, the whole god and hell thing is something not to be taken seriously. There are so many fantasies and crazy stories and god is just one more story told but one for uneducated adults to fear. If this god BTW is incapable of reason (the ability to talk things out rationally) then he is a fool and so you must ask yourself, a fool who supposedly poses endless knowledge and power? How does that make even the slightest bit of sense? Also being all knowing, he knew I was due for hell, so why create me in the first place if I was only going to end up in pain? So now we have ourselves a malevolent fool. Only goes downhill from there.

If you don't it's fine.
I rather don't eliminate the concept altogether.

I'll rule it out like I do with other crazy claims. No special pleading or treatment.
No reason to take it seriously.

[houseofcantor]

I'm evil, but I have to go with Ace on this one. If it's a threat, kill it. There ain't no margin, gambling on fear. All that happens is that the fear spreads. Even Lucifer is on the side of angels should god prove inevitable, but there is no correspondence between this present reality and any god in mythology. None. All there is, is the sense of believers pimping their shared identity and desiring to have that identity confirmed through this coercion of others. It's simply bad joss.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

And good sirs, how would you rather have a faith that rewards the unbeliever?

I live in reality and I will die in realitiy.