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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm)Koklanas Wrote: You mean you will not complaint to any one. and just let it be. It is fated to happen. is it so? I have never met an Athiest in person before so I would not be able to guess what their reaction to misfortunes.
Who would I complain to? There's no one there. Fated? No, not quite so mystical. An atheist's reaction to the loss of a loved one is likely to be very similar to a muslim's reaction.
I dont think it is similar, since you think no supreme being is listneing. I guess you'd say " ok I'll marry another one" without any grief at all, if the dead is your wife. After all what is the point of grieving, death is natural accurance for the living thing.
A Moslem would react differently since He has God to communicate.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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Why would you guess such a thing? The point of grieving is wasted on the dead, but helpful to the living. A muslim might believe he's doing something else, that someone is listening, but a muslim cannot demonstrate this to be the case.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Koklanas Wrote: I dont think it is similar, since you think no supreme being is listneing. I guess you'd say " ok I'll marry another one" without any grief at all, if the dead is your wife. After all what is the point of grieving, death is natural accurance for the living thing.
A Moslem would react differently since He has God to communicate.
Wtf dude seriously. Are you really so fucking retarded? What you are saying actually makes yourself look more of a cunt than any atheist. You are basically saying you wouldn't grieve someone's death because of that person, but rather because of god? You are a sick motherfucker.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2012 at 3:11 pm by downbeatplumb.)
(February 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Koklanas Wrote: I dont think it is similar, since you think no supreme being is listneing. I guess you'd say " ok I'll marry another one" without any grief at all, if the dead is your wife. After all what is the point of grieving, death is natural accurance for the living thing.
A Moslem would react differently since He has God to communicate.
Are you suggesting that atheists are emotionless automatons?
Death IS a natural occurance for the living.
My wife has just made a good point.
Athiests would tend to feel the loss MORE because we dont believe that there is an afterlife, we dont have the emotional cushioning that the theist or in the case of my wife spiritualist believes.
So fucking what?
If anything happened to any of my loved ones I'd be devastated.
We dont need god to be fully functional people.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm by Koklanas.)
(February 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm)Koklanas Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Kok, I have in fact found myself in the very position you described. It did not make me change my mind. I never fell for the god crap before, and I'm certainly not going to fall for it now. And if it really was the intention of some god entity that the sweetest woman I ever knew needed to die as some obscure test for me, then fuck that god, fuck its test, and fuck you too.
Assuming it had nothing to do with God's act or test. Then who caused your loved one to die.
I refuse to assume anything. I am not prepared to follow you down the rabbit hole on this one. My post was in response to your claim that the death of a loved one would change an atheist's mind and that is all I am going to say on the subject. Any and all attempts by you or anyone to use it as a preaching opportunity is not something I will take kindly to.
ok, I can understand. I did not mean to make you sad.
(February 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Koklanas Wrote: I dont think it is similar, since you think no supreme being is listneing. I guess you'd say " ok I'll marry another one" without any grief at all, if the dead is your wife. After all what is the point of grieving, death is natural accurance for the living thing.
A Moslem would react differently since He has God to communicate.
Are you suggesting that atheists are emotionless automatons?
Death IS a natural occurance for the living.
So fucking what?
If anything happened to any of my loved ones I'd be devastated.
We dont need god to be fully functional people.
I just guessed.
human can function differently (either bad or good) based on the type of exposure encountered during upbringing.
If you feel devastated then some thing must have caused / allowed it to happen that you want to put the blame on.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:34 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm)Koklanas Wrote: If you feel devastated then some thing must have caused / allowed it to happen that you want to put the blame on.
Makes no sense this does.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Koklanas Wrote: God's existence is not just for delivering ultimate justice alone. He is there to serve his creations for other need as well, like giving reward to good deeds and what not.
Kudos on missing the point.
The need for something is not evidence for its existence.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:36 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Koklanas Wrote: God's existence is not just for delivering ultimate justice alone. He is there to serve his creations for other need as well, like giving reward to good deeds and what not.
And here's a well formed articulate sentence with correct spelling.
Utter shit content but well conveyed.
This poe can't stay consistant.
Are you saying he's having trouble keeping up the pretense? Surely not :S
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm)Napoleon Wrote: (February 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Koklanas Wrote: I dont think it is similar, since you think no supreme being is listneing. I guess you'd say " ok I'll marry another one" without any grief at all, if the dead is your wife. After all what is the point of grieving, death is natural accurance for the living thing.
A Moslem would react differently since He has God to communicate.
Wtf dude seriously. Are you really so fucking retarded? What you are saying actually makes yourself look more of a cunt than any atheist. You are basically saying you wouldn't grieve someone's death because of that person, but rather because of god? You are a sick motherfucker.
Since athiest wants to associate everything with scientific evidence, I suppose death is just a being that ceases to function and start to rot. and nothing happens after that. Then why does sad feeling need to be there. It is just part and parcel of living.
A moslem would not grieve so much of someone's death, because the death is just part of the journey, and that supreme being has stopped someone's life for a reason. Afer all He decides one can live from what age to what age. That explains why you have unllimited supply of suicide bomber.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 3:39 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm)Koklanas Wrote: Since athiest wants to associate everything with scientific evidence, I suppose death is just a being that ceases to function and start to rot.
An atheist is simply someone who does not believe in a god or gods. Apart from that they need not have anything else in common.
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