Stratfor E-mails Wikileaks

[5thHorseman]

So much for "pure breeds" mehmet. You will also notice that the wolf is an endangered species??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_wolf
Wikipedia, at least, classifies the Gray wolf in the category of "least concern". Besides, it's also the name of the "organisation" I belong to.

What a nice organisation you belong to Mehmet.

'The Idealist Youth (Turkish: Ülkücü Gençlik), commonly known as Grey Wolves (Turkish: Bozkurtlar), is an ultra-nationalist[1] neo-fascist[2][3][4][5][6][7][8] youth organization. It is accused of terrorism.[2][4][5] According to Turkish authorities, the organization carried out 694 murders between 1974–1980.[9]'(wiki)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves

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http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/

Have fun reading. More coming. There is some GOOD stuff in these.

PP, did you see them going through some of this on TYT yesterday?

Was good, but obviously they will get away with it and Bradley Manning will carry on being imprisoned

[kılıç_mehmet]

What a nice organisation you belong to Mehmet.

It's not a real organisation anymore. Besides, I am involved with a side organisation of some sorts.
We advocate the pure Turkist ideology, that of Nihal Atsız, Yusuf Akçura, Ziya Gökalp and many others.
We name ourselves the grey wolves when referring to eachother, just as the communist would refer to some other fellow of his "partizan" or "comrade".
We name ourselves after our mythical ancestor. The gray(blue) wolf.
But our official name is "Türkçüler".
The mainstream grey wolves are not of us. They also include religion into their ideology, while we exclude religion, as religion is in direct opposition to nationalist ideology if there are people who worship a different God in that particular nation.
The Gagavuz Turks in Moldovia, for example, are christian.
Are we going to exclude the people with whom we share the wolf hand gesture? They even have the wolf on their flag.

The ones that were referred in the article were nationalists who turned to crime(drug trafficking, gambling and extortion), however, some performed valuable services in the name of the Turkish nation, where the law was short, and traitors, and terrorists were running around at will, they became the bullet that pierced the lungs of the enemy.
They finished off ASALA. They were on the verge of finishing the PKK, assasinated their fellows on the streets before they could cause more trouble.
But so called human rights organisations have no respect for my human rights when I get killed by a PKK bomb, however, they choose to protect their collaborators and members in the city streets.

[The Grand Nudger]

Believe that human rights organizations have classified the PKK as a terrorist organization Mehm. I'm not sure why you thought they hadn't?
(The US and EU are right behind you in this regard)

[kılıç_mehmet]

Believe that human rights organizations have classified the PKK as a terrorist organization Mehm. I'm not sure why you thought they hadn't?
(The US and EU are right behind you in this regard)

Well, they did, only because they had to.
So did the EU, although the US has been helpful in the past, I'm not sure now.
But the EU, and especially Greece had helped the PKK leader Öcalan the best they could, and even continued to harbor other terrorists who were wanted in Turkey, one of them, the female DHKP-C militant terrorist Fehriye Erdal, who was fairly well treated in Belgium, who refused to hand her over to us.
Just the same with Öcalan, who found asylum in many EU countries after Syria expelled him.

It surely doesn't matter, since Human rights organisations are also very angry whenever one of their militants, correspondents, collaborators and etc. are killed. The EU sent a commission after some reports that we had supposedly used chemical weapons on PKK terrorists in the mountains.
But who really cares when Israel uses it on others? I don't. The EU doesn't. Nor the UN. But they came, and found no traces of chemical weapons they looked for, went empty handed. Another jab they wanted to throw at us, foiled.

[The Grand Nudger]

:tinfoil hat:

Let me explain one reason why wikileaks may have chosen the affiliate they did in your country. We are supporting you, not your terrorists. We are feeding you weapons and intel and funds, not your terrorists. The corruption that has taken hold of our system has profited you, not your terrorists. As an opposition viewpoint, they are likely to be the most wikileaks friendly news organ in your country.

[kılıç_mehmet]

:tinfoil hat:

Let me explain one reason why wikileaks may have chosen the affiliate they did in your country. We are supporting you, not your terrorists. We are feeding you weapons and intel, not your terrorists. The corruption that has taken hold of our system has profited you, not your terrorists. As an opposition viewpoint, they are likely to be the most wikileaks friendly news organ in your country.

This is not a conspiracy theory, these are all well documented.

And a note to the Taraf newspaper. I know what I need to know about them.
They have tried to shake the support of the people to their army, and have called upon Turkey to abandon it's foundation principles, and have tried to represent the Turkish army as the real terrorist force.
I know full well what they are.

And for your support...Well, if you mean by "you" as the US, yes, the US has supported us. However, in today's world, I find NATO countries most distrustful, and unreliable. Besides, even though America supposedly gives us intel, I'd say that the best intel, is our intel. I hope that our army and our government will continue to rely on their own intel, as they did during the old days when the PKK was close to being finished, but ever since the occupation of Iraq, they have regained much of their old strength.

Or the EU...Well, the EU supports us only when their own interests are at stake. For example, ASALA militants were operating in France for long, resulting in the deaths of our nationals. Most of the perpetrators only received small sentences, until ASALA began to target French nationals, and resulted in the death of French nationals. After that, the EU cut off it's support entirely, and ASALA faded into obscurity, with our guys speeding up the process by assasinating their leaders.

As I said, I don't know about the US, but the EU has not been friendly to us, nor supportive in any way.

[The Grand Nudger]

You might say that, but your army obviously disagrees. Our intel is the best intel in the same way that our weapons are the best weapons, and your army freely avails itself of both. We're practically cousins, you and I. Taraf is an enemy of our propaganda machine in the exactly same way that it is an enemy of yours. Hence, affiliation.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, in my point of view, the dependency on American arms and intel is a sign of weakness, on our part.
It's best that we develop our own weapons and systems, instead of relying on the US.
If the US decides in a future war that we might be involved in with someone else, that helping the other side helps it's interests further, we are basically fucked, as our weapon systems, and weapons are of foreign design.
Our army also supports weapons and systems designed in Turkey, and did so in the past until some other pro-capitalist politician came by and decided that public-owned weapons manufacturers were against the free market.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's expensive, and we have a massive lead in R&D (the only thing America never fails to produce is excellent weapons). But you're right, it's always a risk when you depend on a foreign nation for the equipment to defend your own.
(take solace in the knowledge that we aren't beyond selling weapons to both sides of a conflict even when our allies are involved)

[kılıç_mehmet]

However expensive it might be.
I have always supported that Turkish nations should only depend on eachother for anything, and that we should produce our own brand of weapons and weapon systems to use in further defensive actions.
Unfortunately, our talented scientists emigrate to either the US, EU or Russia to look for better opportunities. And some die in mysterious...ways. Who knows how?