National anthems are scarey!

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps we do understand you Mehm, and this is why we rib you.

[kılıç_mehmet]

LOL< X, you weren't going to be able to post anything with the word "National" in the title without drawing Mehmet like a flame. Mehmet is incapable of keeping his shit together for any period of time which makes him irresistable to both Rev, and myself.

It seems like neither can you two. Although reverend did put me on ignore, I don't know why he undid that.

Apparently you need to read what Rythm posted again. My political stance is less about what I am for and more about what I am against.

My biggest stance is anti-fascism.

Well, your stance is faulty. If you build your ideology as an alternative or as a counter-idea to another one, it no longer becomes a "stance", at all.
If I, for example built my stance around anti-communist agenda, I'd be in a void. Communism is no longer a threat in the modern world.
Neither is your...fascism.
We Turkists mind our own business, although you seem to be very much involved in ours with your "anti-fascist" stance. And say, what did you do in your long life to combat fascism? Joined the antifa? Thrown molotovs at the police?
I'm doing the best I can to spread and realize my ideology.

#1 - *total shock* that a fascist says my anti-fascist views are faulty [/sarcasm]

#2 - I have also made my stance clear the I prefer anti-authoritarian left wing views several times. I prefer anarchism, but just as much enjoy the ideas that Scandanavian countries have as well. Civil libertarian socialism is a good thing. Maximum freedom with maximum social awareness sans the crappy "nationalism" that right wingers such as you love to toss in.

#3 - Say what you want about Antifa...LOL...it doesnt change anything.

Civil libertarian socialism? And where does your extent of freedom go, really?
My extent of freedom goes to a certain point. I bet yours does too.
Besides, Turkism is neither a leftist, nor a rightist ideology. It's not even a political platform to be included in the left right designation.

Perhaps we do understand you Mehm, and this is why we rib you.

Ribbing?

[reverendjeremiah]

Any ideology, that places one group of humans based on race above another group (such as Pan-turkism) is right wing nationalism. It immediately suggests that only a certain breed of humanity is "pure", and therefore many things come from it:

Totalitarianism of the "master race"

Subjection of all other races

genocide

pogroms

[The Grand Nudger]

Poke, pester, antagonize, mock, etc. Ribbing is a more familiar way of expressing this, imparting a level or measure of friendliness to the act to clarify intent. I, like some other posters, actually like you in spite of the contents of your posts. There is Mehm the genocide denier, the proud turkish supremecist; which I cannot stand. Then there is a Mehm that has surprising moments of lucidity on this or that issue, who is a chemical engineer, both qualities I respect and admire. Again, I was raised in an area chock full of people with an ideology nearly indistinguishable from your own. I have practice in separating the different sides of people.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Any ideology, that places one group of humans based on race above another group (such as Pan-turkism) is right wing nationalism. It immediately suggests that only a certain breed of humanity is "pure", and therefore many things come from it:

Totalitarianism of the "master race"

Subjection of all other races

genocide

pogroms

I see. As it seems, communism has better archieved the things of which you say that panturkism has archieved.
They have subjugated my people. They have killed them, broke their spirits. They incited pogroms between Turks, and other minorities within their lands to keep them occupied with eachother...
Where exactly have Panturkists done such things?
Oh sure, I surely did genocide a lot of people with a single poem.
And surely, I'll genocide more after we form Turan and start to become a strong, unified nation.
Our goal is clear, and so are our enemies. And only our enemies need to fear.
Those who stand out of our way will not be harmed. Are we that stupid that we'd actually use force when we can solve problems through peace?
Do you think that I punch every guy that bumps me on the street?
Our ultimate goal is actually peace.
Yet, self-righteous people like you, obviously think that they have a copyright on peace and harmony.
Our peace, and our harmony lies in the unity of our entire people.
Panturkism, as it's name suggests, is this.
Turkism, is the way to the panturkist dream. As if we would not value our nation above others, why would we actually care to form Turan?

Poke, pester, antagonize, mock, etc. Ribbing is a more familiar way of expressing this, imparting a level or measure of friendliness to the act to clarify intent. I, like some other posters, actually like you in spite of the contents of your posts. There is Mehm the genocide denier, the proud turkish supremecist; which I cannot stand. Then there is a Mehm that has surprising moments of lucidity on this or that issue, who is a chemical engineer, both qualities I respect and admire. Again, I was raised in an area chock full of people with an ideology nearly indistinguishable from your own. I have practice in separating the different sides of people.

We are on par on the matters of social development, like education and healthcare and maybe some other things. My other side is actually irrelevant to you. I'm just speaking of it to express my worldview in certain topics.

[The Grand Nudger]

It isn't irrelevant, you would simply like me to turn my head (as you would like everyone to turn their heads) when you go about your business because you know damn right there is no other way to accomplish what you hope to achieve. Your supposed superior race is powerless in the face of mongrels only if you can manage to divide us along the lines of your own hateful ideology. Same as every other master race in history, my own included. Other cultures have already attempted what you can only experience in your dreams, and predictably, it failed. Our histories should be a cautionary tale for you, but again, you won't be able to grasp this because you can't fathom the fact that there is no difference between you or I, or your race and my own.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Bleh. You are already divided. Mankind was never meant to be one. Even in nature there are tribes, one pack of wolves competes against the other, one male lion competes against the other. Why not unite? Sure, let's unite. You sit on the other side of the ocean, and leech of the poorer nations of the east.
I didn't divide you. We were already seperate. You are different, we are different. Isn't that supposed to be a liberal thought? In diversity there is strength?
I'm simply protecting the diversity of this world by keeping our blood pure. Besides, I only oppose mongrelisation of Turks. The rest of the world can mix itself to tamu if they like to do so. Doing so won't bring them anything. But they won't. They won't, because forming a tribe, marrying amongst your own, and fighting for the glory of your own tribe and blood is in our nature. I simply accept what nature has laid before us.
Besides, your head, his head, or this whole forum's head is irrelevant.
We only have a couple of enemies, whom our goal is stepping on the toes, who wish to stop us for their own gain. We know who these are.
The only way we can foil their plans is to form Turan. And in this unity, there is our strength.
You call my ideology hateful. My ideology is not built on antagonisation of others. I do not say that these, these and those are evil. I simply say, that they do what they have to do, we do what we have to do. The natural order of things. Even though with stupid humanistic unitarian preaching, you can't really force the others to simply accept you as their own. They won't, and they don't, unless they are willing to give up their own self.
I'm not willing to do that. Neither are the 72 nations of the world.

[The Grand Nudger]

Unfortunately for you I am not a dog, neither are any of the lesser races you would wish to impose your will upon. If you formed Turan, guess what, they'd still be tearing it down piece by piece; same as they are now, before it even has a chance to be born.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Unfortunately for you I am not a dog, neither are any of the lesser races you would wish to impose your will upon.

Where did you get the idea that I wish to impose my will upon the lesser races?
I simply want my people to be left alone by them. For moscow to stop leeching off the people of Central Asia, for China to stop screwing the people of Eastern Turkestan, and for Iran to stop pestering South Azerbaijan.

The ones before us, the "empires" wished to impose their will upon the lesser races, and they did not need any racial ideology to do so. They simply did that without thinking of future consequences, rebellions, break-ups and troubles.
If we had carved a piece of land for ourselves, and fortified it, we would probably not in this state.
The maximum expansion of the Turk in this world is to Greece in the west, and China in the east.
This is our Lebensraum. It's quite large, allows for expansion, and has natural resources.
Why would we need to rule over others, when we can rule ourselves?
We only want what is rightfully ours.
Nothing more.

If you formed Turan, guess what, they'd still be tearing it down piece by piece; same as they are now, before it even has a chance to be born.

Well, they were not able to tear down our republic, although they were so keen, and so sure that we wouldn't be able to put up a resistance when they set their armies upon us.
And Turan will be formed in the very same way. We will start small, try to improve our economies, form a union similiar to the EU, and slowly work towards a unified country.
This is our plan for now. But beyond economic measures, it's quite important to instill a sense of brotherhood, and the notion of one nation into the fragmented pieces of Turan. Thankfully, we have fronts in all Turkic countries, who advocate the same thing.
And even in countries like Hungary, sons of Atilla, who look favorably upon the idea of a Turan.
From our pointview, it is a noble, but harsh pursuit.
Something, archived many times before, but broken due to wrong measures, we've learned from the mistakes of the past, and are now looking forward to the future.

[The Grand Nudger]

Vae victis.