God, come out, come out wherever you are!

[Godscreated]

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Sorry I misunderstood, now to the subject, you're right the stakes are high, higher than you understand at this point. It's not God's fault that you're not listening, many have shared the gospel on this site.

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And what if I am listening but, as you just said, simply cannot understand what the message is and what's at stake?

That's not possible, the stakes have been made clear and the understanding of the message of Christ is simple. Besides I personally do not believe that you are so dense that you can not have the understanding of a child.

After all, do you accept Satan is more than capable of snatching away the message from powerless sinners or perverting the news of the gospel so they find it unappealing and abhorrent? Do you accept some people are weak in body and soul and they cannot sustain faith in Christ for very long in this world?

There are those who fall away after hearing the gospel, there are those who receive the word and fall away, however they do not have to, it is their choice through free will, Satan can tempt, he can not rob. All are weak in body and soul, we need nothing more than to allow Christ to be our strength.

It is fair they fall away too? No!

Who?

Why didn't god make us all more powerful than the devil and give us all the same level of faith? Again, according to your theology people are pulled on the wide highway straight to hell and god's doing nothing to widen his ridiculously narrow turn-off.

He gave us the same level of faith, it's not His fault you decided not to use it, Satan was created with more power than man, that's why God gav us prayer to unleash His power in our behalf. Scripture tells us that we choose the road, there is a reason the road to destruction is wide,all the different way of sin. The road that's narrow is so because Christ is the only way to travel it ,and it can't be traveled with a load of sinful baggage strapped to ones back. The narrow road is easy to travel with Christ.

He doesn't withdraw due to not loving people, He will withdraw once He's satisfied one has had enough chances. Like I said above, in His perfect timing and through His foreknowledge.

Exactly my point, he stops loving them after they've exhausted their appointed x number of chances.

He gives up. He's a quitter. Some god you worship.

God does not stop loving, you will have to prove that through scripture, it's you that implied He stops loving and scripture is the only place you can search to prove your point. If God was going to stop loving, why would he offer salvation to them, even though He foreknew their rejection of Him.
God's not the quitter you are the one that quit on Him, even though He knew you would reject Him, He still offered and you rejected again and again. He may not be through with His offers.

]Nope, I could keep them coming but your reply will just be the same.

You're probably right there. There's no such thing as a perfect message or parable. Jesus' supposed "teachings" aren't exactly a magic-bullet for penetrating sin, otherwise there would be no sinners or fallen creation.

The message and parables are perfect, it is a hardened heart that keeps the message out.

[The Grand Nudger]

And who made our hearts? Seriously, you can blame someone for your own trouble communicating an idea all day long, that doesn't actually make it their fault. If the one doing the blaming is a god (or in this case, you, gods "rep"), and even more so a creator god, then all we're referencing here is a being frustrated by its own piss-poor design decisions (and a lackey making excuses for his inept boss).

By the by, "hardening" in the heart doesn't have anything to with our thoughts. Of course, the original authors thought that it did. Mis-communication due to abject ignorance, and repeated as platitude to this very day. Usually, I quite like little phrases like that, but in the context of your response I just couldn't pass up mentioning it.

[Reforged]

Godschild, are you going to point out my "dellusions" or not? I'm begining to think it was an empty statement but... from you?
Nah, thats impossible.

Also my questions still stands; Is Chad correct in his interpretation or are you?

[Neo-Scholastic]

So... whos right about the doctrinal differences? You or Godschild?

We agree on the most important parts. Jesus saves, but GodsChild put more emphasis on faith as belief and I in faith as in faithfulness. We both believe in a Holy Trinity, but we differ about how those unify into a single Godhead. It's similar to debates between scientists about gradualism versus punctuated equilibrium. They agree on the major points and squabble over details.

[Reforged]

So... whos right about the doctrinal differences? You or Godschild?

We agree on the most important parts. Jesus saves, but GodsChild put more emphasis on faith as belief and I in faith as in faithfulness. We both believe in a Holy Trinity, but we differ about how those unify into a single Godhead. It's similar to debates between scientists about gradualism versus punctuated equilibrium. They agree on the major points and squabble over details.

Yes but my question was about the doctrinal differences and right now well... I'm just not sure who to believe and I think many people reading will be in much the same position.
Someone could go away *horribly* misinformed about what the Bible entails. I don't know, I think you guys should try to iron this one out and come to some kind of agreed interpretation.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Yes but my question was about the doctrinal differences and right now well... I'm just not sure who to believe...you guys should try to iron this one out and come to some kind of agreed interpretation.

Like everything else, you must use your own brain and sound reason. From those you also have another interpretation of the Word, different from ours. You think it's just mythology based on imagination. Why should Godschild and I be any different?

[Reforged]

Yes but my question was about the doctrinal differences and right now well... I'm just not sure who to believe...you guys should try to iron this one out and come to some kind of agreed interpretation.

Like everything else, you must use your own brain and sound reason. From those you also have another interpretation of the Word, different from ours. You think it's just mythology based on imagination. Why should Godschild and I be any different?

So... if someone was to say Godschilds interpretation was correct and yours is... well... in your opinion would they be right in saying that?
Please, give us your reasons behind whatever answer you give.

[Neo-Scholastic]

So... if someone was to say Godschilds interpretation was correct and yours is... well... in your opinion would they be right in saying that?

That depends on the force of their argument. If I assert that my interpretation is correct and likewise Godschild, then we would present our arguments to each other and hopefully learn and grow from the process. Do you have a problem with that?

[Godscreated]

Also my questions still stands; Is Chad correct in his interpretation or are you?

ChadWooters has answered your question very well, I have nothing to add that could sat it better.

[Reforged]

So... if someone was to say Godschilds interpretation was correct and yours is... well... in your opinion would they be right in saying that?

That depends on the force of their argument. If I assert that my interpretation is correct and likewise Godschild, then we would present our arguments to each other and hopefully learn and grow from the process. Do you have a problem with that?

Me? Oh no but some people might quite reasonably deduce that you two ran away from each other because neither of you could legitimately prove the other wrong.
Insane right?