God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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God, come out, come out wherever you are!
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
May 10, 2012 at 3:11 pm
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2012 at 3:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
And who made our hearts? Seriously, you can blame someone for your own trouble communicating an idea all day long, that doesn't actually make it their fault. If the one doing the blaming is a god (or in this case, you, gods "rep"), and even more so a creator god, then all we're referencing here is a being frustrated by its own piss-poor design decisions (and a lackey making excuses for his inept boss).
By the by, "hardening" in the heart doesn't have anything to with our thoughts. Of course, the original authors thought that it did. Mis-communication due to abject ignorance, and repeated as platitude to this very day. Usually, I quite like little phrases like that, but in the context of your response I just couldn't pass up mentioning it.
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 RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
May 10, 2012 at 5:01 pm
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2012 at 5:09 pm by Reforged.)
Godschild, are you going to point out my "dellusions" or not? I'm begining to think it was an empty statement but... from you?
Nah, thats impossible. Also my questions still stands; Is Chad correct in his interpretation or are you?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.  RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
May 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2012 at 5:42 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(May 10, 2012 at 1:25 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: So... whos right about the doctrinal differences? You or Godschild?We agree on the most important parts. Jesus saves, but GodsChild put more emphasis on faith as belief and I in faith as in faithfulness. We both believe in a Holy Trinity, but we differ about how those unify into a single Godhead. It's similar to debates between scientists about gradualism versus punctuated equilibrium. They agree on the major points and squabble over details. (May 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:Yes but my question was about the doctrinal differences and right now well... I'm just not sure who to believe and I think many people reading will be in much the same position.(May 10, 2012 at 1:25 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: So... whos right about the doctrinal differences? You or Godschild?We agree on the most important parts. Jesus saves, but GodsChild put more emphasis on faith as belief and I in faith as in faithfulness. We both believe in a Holy Trinity, but we differ about how those unify into a single Godhead. It's similar to debates between scientists about gradualism versus punctuated equilibrium. They agree on the major points and squabble over details. Someone could go away *horribly* misinformed about what the Bible entails. I don't know, I think you guys should try to iron this one out and come to some kind of agreed interpretation.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred. RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
May 10, 2012 at 6:01 pm
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2012 at 6:02 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(May 10, 2012 at 5:52 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Yes but my question was about the doctrinal differences and right now well... I'm just not sure who to believe...you guys should try to iron this one out and come to some kind of agreed interpretation.Like everything else, you must use your own brain and sound reason. From those you also have another interpretation of the Word, different from ours. You think it's just mythology based on imagination. Why should Godschild and I be any different? (May 10, 2012 at 6:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 10, 2012 at 5:52 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Yes but my question was about the doctrinal differences and right now well... I'm just not sure who to believe...you guys should try to iron this one out and come to some kind of agreed interpretation.Like everything else, you must use your own brain and sound reason. From those you also have another interpretation of the Word, different from ours. You think it's just mythology based on imagination. Why should Godschild and I be any different? So... if someone was to say Godschilds interpretation was correct and yours is... well... in your opinion would they be right in saying that? Please, give us your reasons behind whatever answer you give.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred. (May 10, 2012 at 6:05 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: So... if someone was to say Godschilds interpretation was correct and yours is... well... in your opinion would they be right in saying that?That depends on the force of their argument. If I assert that my interpretation is correct and likewise Godschild, then we would present our arguments to each other and hopefully learn and grow from the process. Do you have a problem with that?  (May 10, 2012 at 5:01 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Also my questions still stands; Is Chad correct in his interpretation or are you? ChadWooters has answered your question very well, I have nothing to add that could sat it better.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(May 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 10, 2012 at 6:05 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: So... if someone was to say Godschilds interpretation was correct and yours is... well... in your opinion would they be right in saying that?That depends on the force of their argument. If I assert that my interpretation is correct and likewise Godschild, then we would present our arguments to each other and hopefully learn and grow from the process. Do you have a problem with that? Me? Oh no but some people might quite reasonably deduce that you two ran away from each other because neither of you could legitimately prove the other wrong. Insane right?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred. |
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