My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists

[ElDinero]

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#1. Their concerns can be dealt with in a different manner than usurping the democratic process and the preference of the majority. They are looking at hospital visits, inheritance etc. all these matters can be fixed without them marrying each other.

#2. Yes--perversion is never a positive and we can say that there is no reproduction thus society loses members and cannot sustain itself.

#3. Having a historical foundation provides credibility, evidence that atheists seek and gives an example of how such an issue is viewed and treated.

#4. There is no such thing as 'the Bronze Age' In today's supposed nuclear age we still have civilizations and societies living in the stone age. The 3 age system is a myth.

#5. Not really. If that were so North Korea would not be torturing its citizens, starving them and China would not be killing so many people etc. Secularism doe snot contribute to lower crime rates as those who claim to be christian yet practice evil things are not really christian and skew the findings.

Don't really get what you mean with number 1. Can you elaborate? Although if you think the 'preference of the majority' should prevail, that's absolute bollocks. What if the majority of people thought slavery should still be legal? Because they did once, you know. Also don't know what marriage has to do with anything in this instance.

2. Prove that homosexuality is a perversion. The idea that homosexuality would lead to the extinction of humans is utterly ludicrous in the extreme. Do you honestly think that would happen?

3. Historical evidence would be useful in proving the truth of your claims. It's not as useful to use as a societal model, is it?

4. Whatever. You know what I'm saying. A current example would be more relevant.

5. North Korea is anything but secular. Their emperors refer to themselves as Gods. It uses all the same tools as religion. You've also gone for a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy there. Those Christians who aren't real Christians certainly believe they are Christians, no matter what they say.

[Thor]

Another problem/complaint Ihave with atheism is that when push comes to shove, when they get the oppostunity to prove their way of life is better than the christian one--they can't do it.

How many times do we have to say it? THERE IS NO "ATHEIST WAY OF LIFE"! We do not band together and form communities where we all perform the same rituals, eat the same food, educate our kids the same way, etc... This is pretty much something BELIEVERS do.

Good news for all, I am not going to be here much longer as this forum is like all the rest. There is no fairness, no honesty, no justice and if you do not think like an atheist then there is something wrong with you.

I guess you don't like being told your beliefs are crap. Well, that's what you get when you come on an atheist forum and try to pass off bullshit as fact. Particularly the bullshit that Creationism is true and evolution is a fraud.

So freethinking is not found in atheism because they cannot accept those who disagree with them.

Are you kidding? Atheism is ALL ABOUT being a freethinker. I (and most others on these boards) were once like you. I believed the story of Jesus and that everything in the Babble was true. Then I started to look at the Bible critically. I also examined what the church wanted you to believe. I eventually concluded that the Babble and the church made no sense.

If atheists really were open-minded, were really free thinkers then they would not have a problem with those who believe for the religious is thinking freely and have chosen freely.

I don't think anyone here cares if you want to believe that the Babble is true. Go ahead! Waste your time praying to your non-existent deity. It matters not to me. Just don't preach your bullshit to me.

No Christians are not homophobes we just know what happens to a nation or civilization when homosexuality is accepted and legitimized.

Really? What happens? People are free to live their life as they choose without interference from religious whackjobs?

No atheist has presented one ancient mss. that shows that homosexuality is good for a country and that the practice is beneficial to all.

Why is it such a big deal to you what two consenting adults do in private?

It isn't and christians can point to an example, an ancient one, that provides evidence for the real result of embracing homosexuality.

Let me guess. This is an example found in your Babble. And what is your solution? Rounding up all the gays and executing them? Or maybe just banishing them to their own island somewhere...

Anyways, I have yet to see the atheist be better than the believers they complain about.

And I'm sure this comment isn't tinged with a hint of bias.

[houseofcantor]

...which is just my team is better than your team 'cause they're my team.

[Rev. Rye]

I have been on a number of atheist boards and in discussion with numerous atheists. I am in one now on same sex marriage with a scholar at an american university and he does what all atheists do, that I have come in contact with,--He puts words into my mouth that I did not say and credits me with acts I did not do.

I've known quite a few Christians who do that.

Atheists claim that religious people do not have a monopoly on morality but if one looks at the atheistic way of life, their is no source for their own supposed moral code.

Simply put, there are four major schools of thought regarding morality:
1) Deontological- Morality comes from rules that come from an external source. (This seems to be where you tend to fit)
2) Consequentialism- Moral actions should be judged by what comes of them.
3) Virtue Ethics-An essentially holistic idea of morality.
4) Pragmatic Ethics- Morality evolves in the same way something like science does (and yes, it does change. If you didn't need me to tell you this, then congratulations.)

Here's something you should know: Despite the fact that there are these four schools of thought, what tends to be moral is, for the most part, the same between all four schools of thought, although some specific dilemmas may reveal differences.

There's a reason that every major culture has their own equivalent of the Golden Rule, and Fred Clark, aka Slacktivist, whose commentaries on Left Behind and Tribulation Force have become an unparalleled commentary on the intersection of Religion, Politics, and Literature, has put it better than I ever can as to why this is true:

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Not because this will get you into Heaven or keep you out of Hell; not due to your gratitude for the undeserved grace of God; not because you love Jesus, who asks this of you or because you’re trying to follow his model of the best of humanity; not because of the law and the prophets or because of some Kantian or Rawlsian imperative or some utilitarian calculus. Simply follow the Golden Rule because it will protect you from becoming a gaping asshole.”

[jason56]

If there's one thing I admire about religious people, it's their morals.

I tend to randomly do things I feel like, and because I don't have a God (Mommy) I don't need to justify myself.

"back in the days when I was young, I'm not a kid anymore but some days I sit and wish I was a kid again".

Grow up, deal with reality and stop daydreaming. God doesn't aid mankind, man does.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Good news for all, I am not going to be here much longer as this forum is like all the rest. There is no fairness, no honesty, no justice and if you do not think like an atheist then there is something wrong with you.

You're just saying that to cheer me up,ya mean prick.


Nah I don't think there is anything wrong with you in the clinical sense.I think you are probably just simply willfully ignorant,under educated and not very bright.

Oh,take care no to let the door hit you on your way out. Have nice life, but please don't breed..

[jason56]

^ That's not very nice. You're proving his/her point.

Don't be an arsehole atheist, that's the same as being a rapist vicor.

[Sciwoman]

I've dealt with jerks like this on several other forums. It doesn't matter what an atheist says or what an atheist does, he'll find a way to spin it - like Faux News, except on a personal level. He's full of hate and arrogance and it would take being struck by lightening for him to change.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

^ That's not very nice. You're proving his/her point.

Don't be an arsehole atheist, that's the same as being a rapist vicor.

Did I call Tee Hee a cunt? No I did not.

Please go fuck yourself (and I mean that in the nicest possible way).

[AthiestAtheist]

We get our morality from being human, dumbass.