New Theism

[ElDinero]

Sound like a bunch of fucking posers.

[Tempus]

They're evidentialists? Wtf is an "evidentialist"? Is it even a real word?

Yes, it's a word: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidentialism

It's somewhat similar to my current method of determining truth, actually. I don't know how they're using it in this context though.

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With the title "new theism" I can't say I'm very interested. Not because it's something to do with theism, but more because it seems like they're being deliberately obfuscating by redefining terms unnecessarily. But who knows, maybe it'll catch on and become a useful term. I'm hungry and don't really care.

[Adjusted Sanity]

Until they actually cause harm, I don't think I'm going to complain. That's all I ask for when people want to follow weird shit.

[NoMoreFaith]

New Theism - Where we dispense with the easily disprovable and pretend that what we meant by God all along was that its a term for our feelings of wonder when faced with the awesome reality of existence. Donations gratefully received to continue doing the good work of "reality", Our father who art in everything.

[FallentoReason]

I think there's some merit in it though. Like Tempus, I see myself in some of it. I just think that marketing this whole new way of seeing things is going to be offputting. All these random groups that crop up are so common that they are doing themselves a disservice by following suite.

So far everything I've read about them seems to be well grounded with reality and evidence. So I can't say I find them to be silly or anything.

[Welsh cake]

Three immediate questions popped into my head reading the 'thankgodforevolution' article:

1. You think god is reality. Okay. Why not be intellectually honest and call yourselves pantheists then?

2. What does your trust, loyalty, love matter at all in all of this? What does any of this mean to a reality that's indifferent to our existence? It seems so bizarre that they kept tagging that onto every paragraph of their claims of god as the personification of reality.

3. WTF is New Atheism?

[Epimethean]

How is this different from certain forms of deism?

[Tempus]

3. WTF is New Atheism?

A flashy new name that's easier to attack. The term "new atheism" seems to have more to do with promotion of secularism, reason, science, etc rather than atheism, in my opinion. I object to it because it conflates atheism with the pursuit of the above. I don't know whether any atheists actually call themselves this or whether the media just made it up.

[Gambit]

I get it, but at the same time I don't see the point. We already know why people called the sun Sol etc. I have no argument with using metaphors to describe the realities of the universe either. However, it seems to me they are calling these things gods, as though the label is required in order to appreciate them. Maybe I need to read over it again, once I've had more than two hours sleep, though. At the minute it looks pretty much like deism, or at least a way that makes it easier for those doubting their beliefs to let go.

[FallentoReason]

I get it, but at the same time I don't see the point. We already know why people called the sun Sol etc. I have no argument with using metaphors to describe the realities of the universe either. However, it seems to me they are calling these things gods, as though the label is required in order to appreciate them. Maybe I need to read over it again, once I've had more than two hours sleep, though. At the minute it looks pretty much like deism, or at least a way that makes it easier for those doubting their beliefs to let go.

It can't be a form of Deism because they explicitly said they don't believe in God.