Gonna commit suicide. Your theories of where I go.

[JohnDG]

I almost killed myself once, then I realized if I don't have the heart to kill another person I don't even deserve to kill myself.

Now you're scaring me.

We're talking about suicide, not murder.

Taking someone else's life is to commit a criminal offence whichever way you look at it.

Im going to assume you are a highly intelligent person.

mo·ral·i·ty/məˈralətē/Noun: 1.Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
2.Behavior as it is affected by the observation of these principles

Self preservation is part of an organisms's instinct that demands that the organism survives. Pain and fear are parts of this mechanism. Pain causes discomfort so that the organism is inclined to stop the pain. Fear causes the organism to seek safety and may cause a release of adrenaline which has the effect of increased strength and heightened senses such as hearing, smell, and sight.

"Among all things the conscious mind fears the unknown, and death endures as the greatest unknown of all."

This is why you get suicide theads, we are all atheist. Do you really fear death if you know there is nothing afterwards? Are there plenty of painless way's to kill yourself? Yes it is a criminal offense but murder is neither immoral or moral. It's just what is or what isn't and being an atheist you realize you morality is also insifnificant. Because it doesn't really matter who dies or who doesn't or who killed who. Once you're dead, there is nothing afterwards. Morality is insignificant, there is no bad or good side just what is. Even in the bible god acts as if morality doesn't matter and slaughters millions and forces people to endure eternal suffering for the actions he created them to do.

[Welsh cake]

Suicide is the final insult at a world you want to get back at.

How is someone's death an insult? The Japanese, or rather those who lived by the samurai bushido code regarded Seppuku as an honourable act.

It's the ultimate selfish act, and a selfish thought process.

Your silly god creating the universe is the ultimate selfish act. He couldn't have created it for us or for the birds and the trees because none of that existed back then. Everything he does is for his own glorification. Self-serving fatherless bastard.

I certainly care less than nothing about an afterlife. I do see the point of getting the most out of life, and thoughts of suicide are the polar opposite of that.

People have different reasons for ending their own lives.

[Opsnyder]

Has someone reported this guy to the proper authorities? Admin should trace his IP and report it. I remember another similar case not long ago, which ended in eventual suicide.

I don't write from home so don't try.

[Faith No More]

Suicide is the final insult at a world you want to get back at. It's the ultimate selfish act, and a selfish thought process. It's the opposite to the instict to survive...

Thank you fr0d0 for so nicely summarizing the misconceptions people have about the act of suicide. Yes, some people have killed themselves for selfish reasons, but the act of suicide itself is not inherently selfish.


I have hidden the rest of my response to this, because it could be a trigger for some people, so if you're not feeling well, don't read this.

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We all have the instinct to survive, but that instinct can be modified by the quality of the life being lived. Someone who is on the road to committing suicide is slowly going through a process of losing what little control he/she thought he/she had. They feel their life spiraling downward, and they are powerless to stop it. The pain they have felt through life starts becoming unbearable so they start planning their suicide, because the quality of their life, tempered by the unbearable nature of the pain, causes our instinct to survive to go haywire.

Our survival instincts strive to free of us pain and injury that could possibly affect our lives dramatically or even lead to our death, but when one is in the situation I have stated in the above paragraph, suddenly the only way to avoid the pain and injury is to die. At least that's how the person caught in the predicament is forced to see it. Then you get tunnel vision, all you can think about escaping the pain through your own death. You obsess over it, and you can't wait to be free from the pain. Then you plan, and you go through with it.

Now, if anyone were to tell me that is an act of selfishness, I would tell them that they are the selfish ones for thinking that the person should have just endured the pain so they wouldn't have to deal with the person's death.

Suicide is not about selfishness. It is about desperation and control. At your wits end, you take into your hands the one thing you truly have control over, your existence.

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I certainly care less than nothing about an afterlife. I do see the point of getting the most out of life, and thoughts of suicide are the polar opposite of that. That is how my religious understanding influences me.

This isn't really directed at you, kind fr0d0, but I used your quote to illustrate another point.

There are times and places to talk about religion, the afterlife, God or no God, but when someone is discussing mental health issues, save the fire and brimstone bullshit for later. I'm horrified at GC for his comments here, but I let them slide since I am almost certain this person is not going to commit suicide(if you are, get help, call a hotline). When people are mentally ill, it becomes their primary issue that they must deal with. Before anything else can be truly accomplished, the illness must be under control, so telling people with suicidal tendencies that they are going to go to hell is as appropriate as asking the president how long his dick is at his inauguration. If you want to spread your word, as we all know you do, don't do it to the mentally ill when they are having an episode. Sell your snake oil afterwards.

[Shell B]

Frodo, try having constant intrusive thoughts and then say suicide is selfish. When it takes more will for someone to get through a day than you would have to conjure to climb Mount Everest, you can rightfully say that they are unselfish people. If it gets to be too great, it is A. their choice and B. beyond your comprehension and not something you should ever be derisive about.

As for thoughts of suicide, a lot of them are intrusive, so how can you label them as selfish? That is a huge clue to your ignorance on the topic.

[Napoléon]

Suicide is the final insult at a world you want to get back at. It's the ultimate selfish act, and a selfish thought process. It's the opposite to the instict to survive. To impose your own thoughts to stifle your natural creative self. It's designed to trigger a nurture response.

I certainly care less than nothing about an afterlife. I do see the point of getting the most out of life, and thoughts of suicide are the polar opposite of that.

Damnit fr0d0, just as I'm about to hit the kudos button you come out with this:

That is how my religious understanding influences me.

[fr0d0]

Thanks for your responses. WC: yes I wouldn't include what you described. Even better (well, i think i understand it better) is the similar kind of thing I've seen old red indians do.

You've posted some really good stuff on the subject FNM. I wasn't sure regarding the apparent insensitivity of what i put but i thought I put it out there anyway. I'm posting from my phone which is kinda limiting. I have been in that place myself, and councelled people in this position, and in my experience i would say that it is almost always selfishness at work. Why broadcast it? Why not minimise the hurt to others if it's only you and no one can help you?

When I was there, home truths were what I needed and I appreciated the one person who told me straight rather than the many who placated me with sympathy which was of no help.

Your elaboration is great FNM. I just don't feel my input is irrelevant. We already have too much soft & useless advice. My intention is far from derision.

Yes Shell I've been there and I stick by my conclusion. I sure didn't want to be in that place. Why would you choose years of misery to the extent that you couldn't bear it. I believe the selfish route is to entertain the negativity.

Yes Nap I've witheld much kudos for the same reason. Petty I know!

I meant how I believe in positivity and my religious rationalisations follow that trend. I wasn't religious during my depression, and it had nothing to do with my recovery. The OP was asking about our ideas on life after death which is the only reason I mentioned it.

[Napoléon]

I think people over-reacted to the term selfish, almost as though it takes a negative connotation and that it implies the person is a jackass for being selfish. That's not how I see it. I don't assume that the person considering suicide is a jackass, but you have to be selfish to consider it IMO (and before anyone goes there, yeah I have considered it myself so do one). Either that or you have no one in your life who cares about you.

So my question is, how is suicide anything but thinking about ones self?

[LastPoet]

I've been pretty close to off myself too. Dark times they were, as all rationalizations lead to the same conclusion. How did I go about it? A few hard punches into the brick wall, alot of secretly crying, and a help of someone unbiased, professionally trained to help others. The decision is ultimately ours, but strategically, only one offers infinite possibilities.

[Faith No More]

You've posted some really good stuff on the subject FNM. I wasn't sure regarding the apparent insensitivity of what i put but i thought I put it out there anyway. I'm posting from my phone which is kinda limiting. I have been in that place myself, and councelled people in this position, and in my experience i would say that it is almost always selfishness at work. Why broadcast it? Why not minimise the hurt to others if it's only you and no one can help you?

Eventually, the pain blinds you to the consequences of your death. Sometimes people convince themselves that no one will care, that everyone will be better off, or even that people will get over your death quite easily. Of course these things are far from the truth, but you become unable to see the actual value in your own life.

When I was there, home truths were what I needed and I appreciated the one person who told me straight rather than the many who placated me with sympathy which was of no help.

Your elaboration is great FNM. I just don't feel my input is irrelevant. We already have too much soft & useless advice. My intention is far from derision.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that your input is irrelevant. Suicide is one of those things that I see a lot of misconceived stigma being attributed to it, and the idea that it is inherently selfish is one of them.

I agree that there is a lot of soft and useless advice, and that if we were more realistic with people about the effects of suicide, people wouldn't be so quick to consider it as a viable option. One thing to remember, however, is that breaking free from the pain can become as necessary to some people as it is to eat and breath for everyone. It consumes you to the point that all you can think about is being pain free no matter you get there. It's not that you become so selfish that you don't care about the pain to others, it's that your need for the suffering to end becomes so overwhelming that you become blind to the consequences.