Pat Robertson says it's ok to ignore parts of the Bible.

[Drich]

About all the rest why do you continue to insist I don''t know or understand Christian theology, specifically the theology about the slave analogy? Do you read anything I post? Is there any point in continuing a conversation with you? I'm talking about Pat Robertson's statement and what the Old Testament says about slavery and you keep ignoring the topic of this thread so you can divert it from it's original topic.

I have not hi jacked anything I have done nothing but answer the questions asked.

I have found that this is a tactic used when people know they are loosing an argument and you were loosing the original argument. You also are using every opportunity you can to preach.

I have shown your orginal assertion to be slanderous at best. I showed (cut and pasted) where you claim Pat said x about cherry picking the bible, and 'x' wasn't even mentioned in the clip in any way shape or form. As far as any resonable person would be concerned at this point your orginal conclusion has been shown to be misleading. That's when others started to seek a better understanding of my take on slavery. (to either persecute me for my 'acharic' beliefs or call me a hipocrite for cherry picking.) to which I turned the tables and showed you all how we all live as slaves, and as benficiaries of litteral modern day slave labor.

This wasn't something I soap boxed from my own will to speak/"preach." This was dragged out over 7 pages of continuous challenges to me and what I believe. to the point where i grew very weary of the level of hyprocrisy or ignorance being proudly paraded before me. For I was constantly being slighted for acknoweledging slavery in a modern context, while you all soap boxed from your high horses about how all slavery was always a bad thing. Never mind the fact the creature comforts you take for granted, or should I say your/our whole modern consumer life style was built on the backs of modern day slaves! but because these slaves are Modern day and yellow and not 16th century and black no one wants to acknoweledge them or their contribution to our soceity. why? because you all refuse to look at this word outside the prameters established to honor the African american slave. again nothing wrong with doing that, but at the same time do not close your mind to everything else, just because it is beyond how you have been told to think about something.

Preaching is rude and disrespectful in that it shuts off any honest two way communication.

Then don't do it. Your following 'speech' is a good example:

It disengages you from any responsibility to listen. You can drown out the other people with your noise. It may make you feel better. It may allow you to remain in your denial of the truth because you don't have to even acknowledge there may be more beyond what you believe. Either way this is of no concern to me. What is a concern to me is dealing with a dick who does not give a damn about what I say. I am wasting my time with you. If you want to speak, speak to the air. If you want to have a real conversation you must listen. You can start by reading other people's posts, not playing little games (games that people on this forum have seen far too many times from far too many Christians who are loosing debates), and not preaching.

If you want me to re address something then re state it or give me a post number. as far as I know i have addressed everything you posted.

---

[quote='Taqiyya Mockingbird' pid='308810' dateline='1342015597']
I rather thought that proselytizing was a bannable offense.

It seem too many trips to the pink pony has left you confused as to which website your on. For you see the .com variant of Atheist forms is the one your thinking of. where members are allowed to ask Questions that require a biblically based answers, and then ban members who supply them, simply by having an established member use the word "proselytize" over and over again in their posts. The .org version allows or should I say encourages real thought and doesn't ban the first guy who produces a post that requires some out of box thinking to respond to. Thankfuly the Adminstration here want to inspire true thought and dialoge, rather than recreate the same type of santuary the .com version of this website has become. A place that bans people for unpopular thought.
Here is a link to the rules of this site:http://atheistforums.org/rules.php

[Ziploc Surprise]

[quote='Ziploc Surprise' pid='308732' dateline='1341987248']

About all the rest why do you continue to insist I don''t know or understand Christian theology, specifically the theology about the slave analogy? Do you read anything I post? Is there any point in continuing a conversation with you? I'm talking about Pat Robertson's statement and what the Old Testament says about slavery and you keep ignoring the topic of this thread so you can divert it from it's original topic.

I have not hi jacked anything I have done nothing but answer the questions asked.

I have found that this is a tactic used when people know they are loosing an argument and you were loosing the original argument. You also are using every opportunity you can to preach.

I have shown your orginal assertion to be slanderous at best. I showed (cut and pasted) where you claim Pat said x about cherry picking the bible, and 'x' wasn't even mentioned in the clip in any way shape or form. As far as any resonable person would be concerned at this point your orginal conclusion has been shown to be misleading. That's when others started to seek a better understanding of my take on slavery. (to either persecute me for my 'acharic' beliefs or call me a hipocrite for cherry picking.) to which I turned the tables and showed you all how we all live as slaves, and as benficiaries of litteral modern day slave labor.

You originally hi jacked it when you started talking (more like preaching) about the theological idea of how Christians should be slaves to god. I have pointed out this hi jacking several times. The original post was about how the Bible condones slavery and how Pat Robertson said (paraphrase) humans have morally evolved to believe that slavery is wrong) Therefore to believe that slavery is wrong is to ignore parts of the Bible so therefore Pat Robertson said that it's ok to ignore parts of the Bible. How many times must I repeat myself?

This wasn't something I soap boxed from my own will to speak/"preach." This was dragged out over 7 pages of continuous challenges to me and what I believe. to the point where i grew very weary of the level of hyprocrisy or ignorance being proudly paraded before me. For I was constantly being slighted for acknoweledging slavery in a modern context, while you all soap boxed from your high horses about how all slavery was always a bad thing. Never mind the fact the creature comforts you take for granted, or should I say your/our whole modern consumer life style was built on the backs of modern day slaves! but because these slaves are Modern day and yellow and not 16th century and black no one wants to acknoweledge them or their contribution to our soceity. why? because you all refuse to look at this word outside the prameters established to honor the African american slave. again nothing wrong with doing that, but at the same time do not close your mind to everything else, just because it is beyond how you have been told to think about something.

Preaching is rude and disrespectful in that it shuts off any honest two way communication.

Then don't do it. Your following 'speech' is a good example:

It disengages you from any responsibility to listen. You can drown out the other people with your noise. It may make you feel better. It may allow you to remain in your denial of the truth because you don't have to even acknowledge there may be more beyond what you believe. Either way this is of no concern to me. What is a concern to me is dealing with a dick who does not give a damn about what I say. I am wasting my time with you. If you want to speak, speak to the air. If you want to have a real conversation you must listen. You can start by reading other people's posts, not playing little games (games that people on this forum have seen far too many times from far too many Christians who are loosing debates), and not preaching.

This was not a speech nor was it preaching. I was being kind to you. I was speaking directly to you not at you. I was pointing out why preaching is rude, disrespectful and unfruitful. When you find you've pissed people off it will be because you chose to preach, play little manipulative games, instead of listen to them. You, on the other hand, were preaching to me because I told you several times I knew the doctrine yet you chose to ignore me and spew it out anyway. You were speaking at me or perhaps you were just making noise to drown me and all the others her on this thread out. As for the other bit. The part about your request for me to copy and paste where I said what. This is a tactic used by people who want to win an argument by attrition. Wear down your opponent. I'm not going to play this game. I don't have time. What I wrote exists and you can read it if you like.

The evidence of what I said and what you said exists on this tread and anyone reading it can make their own determination of the situation. It's like a peer reviewed journal. You can not call something a win by ignoring, or denying things. What you and I have said are on this thread for everyone to read. If you want to save face with them I suggest you learn how to debate in a reasonable fashion. Otherwise you may been seen as a dick.

Mods, I have done my best to get the quote boxes straight but I think I screwed it up. Don't kill me. I am willing to take suggestions on how to deal with long back and forth conversations like this. If you choose to eliminate all but what I said this might be easier for you and I won't be upset. I don't want to create any extra work for you.

[Minimalist]

It's always amusing to watch believers defend the most absurd aspects of their religion.

Are you suggesting that there are non-absurd aspects, too?

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

It is not up to you, to judge what's bannable or not, its the dark green and red guys. And fucking preview your posts, your quotes make my head hurt.

I didn't claim it was up to me, and put away your fucking straw man. I'll still be weighing my opinion in, whether you bleat about it or not. If my posts make your head hurt, then don't look at them.

---

Dreck: " No Preaching
To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with your own theology, philosophy or point of view is not permitted. If you want to preach, get yourself a soapbox in hyde park and don't do it here. You are welcome to discuss your own beliefs, why you believe them, etc. Just don't expect or demand anyone to agree with them."

Your above sermons walk all over that.

[Drich]

Dreck: " No Preaching

Some of your peers seem to seek a sermons. just because you do not want to see anything to do with God written or explained does not mean your peers feel the same way. why oppress them because you are insecure about what you believe?

Do you know where you can go to never see one of my sermon messages? To the .com version of this web site where you were instrmental in getting me ban. If you go back there I promise you will not see me back for some time.

---

This was not a speech nor was it preaching. I was being kind to you. I was speaking directly to you not at you. I was pointing out why preaching is rude, disrespectful and unfruitful. When you find you've pissed people off it will be because you chose to preach, play little manipulative games, instead of listen to them. You, on the other hand, were preaching to me because I told you several times I knew the doctrine yet you chose to ignore me and spew it out anyway. You were speaking at me or perhaps you were just making noise to drown me and all the others her on this thread out. As for the other bit. The part about your request for me to copy and paste where I said what. This is a tactic used by people who want to win an argument by attrition. Wear down your opponent. I'm not going to play this game. I don't have time. What I wrote exists and you can read it if you like.

The evidence of what I said and what you said exists on this tread and anyone reading it can make their own determination of the situation. It's like a peer reviewed journal. You can not call something a win by ignoring, or denying things. What you and I have said are on this thread for everyone to read. If you want to save face with them I suggest you learn how to debate in a reasonable fashion. Otherwise you may been seen as a dick.

Mods, I have done my best to get the quote boxes straight but I think I screwed it up. Don't kill me. I am willing to take suggestions on how to deal with long back and forth conversations like this. If you choose to eliminate all but what I said this might be easier for you and I won't be upset. I don't want to create any extra work for you.

I am not here to beat you over the head with anything. I was simply extending you a courtesy. If you felt like I disrespected you or the intent of this thread I was offering my time to address any concerns you felt were intentionally ignored. If you do not wish to take the time to rehash or look up an old arguement the I will consider the matter closed unless you wish to discuss at a later time.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

[quote='Taqiyya Mockingbird' pid='309044' dateline='1342049937']
Dreck: " No Preaching

Some of your peers seem to seek a sermons.

What atheists here seek sermons from this assclown? Please, speak up now or forever hold your peace.


[quote]just because you do not want to see anything to do with God written or explained

What's a god?

does not mean your peers feel the same way. why oppress them because you are insecure about what you believe?

Oh aren't you just the presumptuous twat. I am quite secure about what I DON'T believe, fyvm, and the fact remains that preaching is not allowed here whether you like it or not.

[

Do you know where you can go to never see one of my sermon messages? To the .com version of this web site where you were instrmental in getting me ban. If you go back there I promise you will not see me back for some time.

I have absolutely zero say there in who is banned or not. This isn't the first time you have tried to float that lie here. You won't be going there any more anyway.

[Ziploc Surprise]

@Drich. I don't have the time to look up stuff and do a point by point argument over what I just said. I also think that if I did it would be a frustrating wast of my time because you would find some other way to dodge the issue. I'm happy with leaving it because the truth of what I said still exists in black and white for anyone to read. My words that I've already written exonerate me from your accusations and, given the time, that's good enough for me.

This though, this is funny. "Some of your peers seem to seek a sermons. just because you do not want to see anything to do with God written or explained does not mean your peers feel the same way. why oppress them because you are insecure about what you believe?" (the quote was in response to another forum member but It made me laugh).

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

I am not seeing any atheists here clamoring to admit that they "seek your sermons". Looks like that is just a figment of your narcisstic delusions.

[cratehorus]

Some of your peers seem to seek a sermons. just because you do not want to see anything to do with God written or explained does not mean your peers feel the same way. why oppress them because you are insecure about what you believe?

We "seek your sermon" because we can't believe the levels of blatant hypocrisy and generalized idiocy of the flocks of fundy theists, the fact that these cults still exist is mind boggling to any sane person. Your lucky we think your so pathetic and sub-narcissistic, or else your so-called churches would be burned

[Faith No More]

Burning churches? I mean, I understand that you have a passionate disdain for all things religion, but where do statements like this get you? It just comes across as bitter and spiteful.

Let's leave the suppressing of others' beliefs to the religious.