My chat with Richard Dawkins

[greneknight]

I have no trouble accessing the original page. It's a nicer photo than my avatar. Don't you think?

The dead link is no longer dead. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.

Translation: oh damn, deleting it didn't work, put it back in place.

It was ok when I tried it. You're only saying it's deleted to build up a case.

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Well, you will have to admit first that I do sound mature. Otherwise, there's no way you would want to connect an old man with me.

Your vocabulary and syntax, yes...

Thanks. I didn't see your post. Go on. Don't just stop there!

[Creed of Heresy]

When I first saw in a video Richard Dawkins giving a talk in a university in the USA (that was the one that had students from Liberty University who together with their lecturers disgraced themselves and were taunted for being stupid) - I think the university had "Randolph" to its name, I was shocked that Dawkins was so incredibly rude. He called GOd infanticidal, genocidal and a whole string of terrible descriptions. I saw the video with another altar boy and some friends in the choir (I was still in the Evensong choir) and we were all thunderstruck. How could a grown up and a respectable Oxford fellow be so rude and unethical?

I was very young then and I didn't have a good impression of Dawkins. Much later, I met Dawkins with my dad and I found him a very agreeable person. He was very interested in my knowledge of science and he thought I was well-read and he was particularly impressed that I had read Jerry Coyne's book and his book. He laughed good-naturedly when, in reply to his query, I said Coyne's book was better. He very humbly agreed with me!

He was very concerned that I was both an altar boy and a choir boy and he looked at my dad in horror, like he had done something terribly wrong. He was very comforted to learn that I was a cultural Christian and he complimented my dad for bringing me up well. He said it was far better to have one boy like me with my knowledge of religion and the improbability for God to exist than to have a thousand boys not brought up in the Christian tradition and not knowing a thing about the God concept and why it's wrong since they can always fall prey one day to the deception of religion at a later age.

So I used to think Dawkins was rude and disagreeable. It was only when I had grown older that I knew the more important question is was he right in the disagreeable things he said? The truth of the content of his speech is MORE important than the way in which he said it. But we need maturity to see this. Many old people still dismiss Dawkins for his "rudeness". I would have imagined old people should by their age have learnt to put away childish things but apparently not all of them can do that, especially the old women in church. For them, form is always more important than substance.

Richard Dawkins is very...stated, I guess I can say. He isn't afraid of speaking his mind. It is worth noting that the religious are exactly like him; they speak their minds, spew their hatred all the time but they are so numerous that we cannot remember all of their names. Dawkins is one of a very very select few non-religious people who openly says "what you believe is fucking stupid; allow me to demonstrate why." People claim, endlessly in fact, that their beliefs "don't hurt anybody." History says otherwise, of course.

You see, no religion is capable of expelling violence, but all of them claim to do so, while always providing means and methods and excuses of why it is OK to commit violence in certain circumstances. Religions are not perfect no matter their source or claims but they all claim to be so. They all claim to know the way. They are all certain. And being certain for no reason other than the sake of being certain is a hell of a good way to breed ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, and eventually through all that, violence.

So yeah. Dawkins has it right. He's telling it like it is. The only reason he seems so shocking and offensive is because he's saying shit that everyone who opposes religion has been too "polite" to say.

Ironically, Dawkins himself IS an extremely polite and jovial individual with a great sense of humor and a very warm personality.

[greneknight]

When I first saw in a video Richard Dawkins giving a talk in a university in the USA (that was the one that had students from Liberty University who together with their lecturers disgraced themselves and were taunted for being stupid) - I think the university had "Randolph" to its name, I was shocked that Dawkins was so incredibly rude. He called GOd infanticidal, genocidal and a whole string of terrible descriptions. I saw the video with another altar boy and some friends in the choir (I was still in the Evensong choir) and we were all thunderstruck. How could a grown up and a respectable Oxford fellow be so rude and unethical?

I was very young then and I didn't have a good impression of Dawkins. Much later, I met Dawkins with my dad and I found him a very agreeable person. He was very interested in my knowledge of science and he thought I was well-read and he was particularly impressed that I had read Jerry Coyne's book and his book. He laughed good-naturedly when, in reply to his query, I said Coyne's book was better. He very humbly agreed with me!

He was very concerned that I was both an altar boy and a choir boy and he looked at my dad in horror, like he had done something terribly wrong. He was very comforted to learn that I was a cultural Christian and he complimented my dad for bringing me up well. He said it was far better to have one boy like me with my knowledge of religion and the improbability for God to exist than to have a thousand boys not brought up in the Christian tradition and not knowing a thing about the God concept and why it's wrong since they can always fall prey one day to the deception of religion at a later age.

So I used to think Dawkins was rude and disagreeable. It was only when I had grown older that I knew the more important question is was he right in the disagreeable things he said? The truth of the content of his speech is MORE important than the way in which he said it. But we need maturity to see this. Many old people still dismiss Dawkins for his "rudeness". I would have imagined old people should by their age have learnt to put away childish things but apparently not all of them can do that, especially the old women in church. For them, form is always more important than substance.

Richard Dawkins is very...stated, I guess I can say. He isn't afraid of speaking his mind. It is worth noting that the religious are exactly like him; they speak their minds, spew their hatred all the time but they are so numerous that we cannot remember all of their names. Dawkins is one of a very very select few non-religious people who openly says "what you believe is fucking stupid; allow me to demonstrate why." People claim, endlessly in fact, that their beliefs "don't hurt anybody." History says otherwise, of course.

You see, no religion is capable of expelling violence, but all of them claim to do so, while always providing means and methods and excuses of why it is OK to commit violence in certain circumstances. Religions are not perfect no matter their source or claims but they all claim to be so. They all claim to know the way. They are all certain. And being certain for no reason other than the sake of being certain is a hell of a good way to breed ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, and eventually through all that, violence.

So yeah. Dawkins has it right. He's telling it like it is. The only reason he seems so shocking and offensive is because he's saying shit that everyone who opposes religion has been too "polite" to say.

Ironically, Dawkins himself IS an extremely polite and jovial individual with a great sense of humor and a very warm personality.

Yes, Dawkins is incredibly polite and soft-spoken, not the strident atheist he's always referred to in talk shows.

[Red Celt]

It was ok when I tried it. You're only saying it's deleted to build up a case.

Oh, hush now. I have an IT career on my CV that lasted longer than you claim to have been alive. I know what a dead link looks like. It reappeared after I linked the cached version (and why in the hell would I have needed to do that, if the link worked?) and your "recovery" made it obvious that deleting a suspicious link would look even more suspicious.

To repeat: done and busted.

[downbeatplumb]

How old do you guys think I am?

Well your hairs from the seventies.


Bazzinga.

[tokutter]

It was ok when I tried it. You're only saying it's deleted to build up a case.

Oh, hush now. I have an IT career on my CV that lasted longer than you claim to have been alive. I know what a dead link looks like. It reappeared after I linked the cached version (and why in the hell would I have needed to do that, if the link worked?) and your "recovery" made it obvious that deleting a suspicious link would look even more suspicious.

To repeat: done and busted.

Come on Greneknight , give it up. Confess of your sin.

[Creed of Heresy]

What're we all bitching at Grene for, now?

[Reforged]

What're we all bitching at Grene for, now?

Seems kind of redundant, like trying to stab beef jerky to death.

Well, looks like we have a paedophile on our forum.
Awesome. I was beginning to think I'd always be the token sexual predator.
I'm kidding! ...please don't call my parole officer.