Question to Christians re humility

[Zen Badger]

Funny, he did 'god tricks' all of the time in the bible. Even Jesus did something as trivial as supply extra alcohol at a party!

Are you serious? You would demand God perform for you? yet you will not humble yourself to Him? Let see how that works for you.

Yes, I'd like to see him pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Failing that, pulling a hare out of his arse would also be acceptable.

[Kayenneh]

Ah.. One would think that to be humble is to acknowledge what one doesn't know and that one is small, insignificant and not special in this universe, but alas, no.

[Justtristo]

A lot of Christians aren't going to develop true humility in my opinion. Because they believe that some being created the universe just for the benefit of humanity.

On the other hand science and understanding it's discoveries can allow people to develop true humility.

[Darkstar]

If god doesn't do a 'trick' for us, then how do we know he's god? Why should we be humble slaves to some guy who tells us he's all powerful but won't [read:can't] prove it? (Not saying we should even if he does prove it, his moral are kind of messed up.)

[Reforged]

Humility just means not boasting, but the Christian version has more to do with a humble submission (not the submission of Islam mind you) where we admit that our "good" works are not because of us or our own actions but because of God's work through us.

I see, so the line that anyone who does not agree and conform to this "submission" deserves to burn, that evidence is not required to prove this true and we must take it on faith... you don't see that as arrogance of astounding proportions.

Announcing you have the creator of the universe in your corner and that you don't need to justify this statement, thats humility is it?
All of my good works are thanks to your deity are they? Got any evidence of thi- oh right, you don't need that do you?

Brilliant. Well, I'm totally convinced.

[downbeatplumb]

Yes. Humble as a Slave is to his Master.

And here in a nut shell you see one of the main faults with religion.

[kılıç_mehmet]

One of the criticisms we often see levelled against Atheism, and particularly scientifically argued atheism, is that the doubters are "arrogant" and should be more "humble".

What is really meant by this, is there a Christian-specific meaning to humility? We all know the dictionary definitions, but I'm confused how any such criticism isn't equally or more-so applicable to the religious position?

How can complete confidence in some interpretation of the bible, which spells out so many amazing things which we are told are factual, be any more humble than the atheist position of evidence based reasoning? The reasoning atheist acknowledges the caveats of what they 'know', whereas the faithful Christian is in no doubt about the existence of god.

Sorry if this is an old topic done to death, but I am curious and never heard the Christian side of this.

Well, humility requires that you ought not to declare yourself "more humble than others". I've not really heard of such an accusation, but I guess you've personally be accused of arrogance by a christian, so that you felt the need to open this thread. I say that he who has accused you is less humble in comparison to those who do not boast their humility, as humility requires that a person does not boast himself, even if it's the subject of his humility.

[Polaris]

Humility just means not boasting, but the Christian version has more to do with a humble submission (not the submission of Islam mind you) where we admit that our "good" works are not because of us or our own actions but because of God's work through us.

I see, so the line that anyone who does not agree and conform to this "submission" deserves to burn, that evidence is not required to prove this true and we must take it on faith... you don't see that as arrogance of astounding proportions.

Announcing you have the creator of the universe in your corner and that you don't need to justify this statement, thats humility is it?
All of my good works are thanks to your deity are they? Got any evidence of thi- oh right, you don't need that do you?

Brilliant. Well, I'm totally convinced.

And didn't put anything in there to try and convince you of shit.

[genkaus]

One of the criticisms we often see levelled against Atheism, and particularly scientifically argued atheism, is that the doubters are "arrogant" and should be more "humble".

What is really meant by this, is there a Christian-specific meaning to humility? We all know the dictionary definitions, but I'm confused how any such criticism isn't equally or more-so applicable to the religious position?

How can complete confidence in some interpretation of the bible, which spells out so many amazing things which we are told are factual, be any more humble than the atheist position of evidence based reasoning? The reasoning atheist acknowledges the caveats of what they 'know', whereas the faithful Christian is in no doubt about the existence of god.

Sorry if this is an old topic done to death, but I am curious and never heard the Christian side of this.

I think the argument is simple. "Trusting your own judgement based on what you can see and verify is arrogance - because then you are arrogantly declaring that you have the capacity to tell what's true and what's not. The humble thing to d is to not trust your own judgment and take someone else's word for it."

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The reasons the Atheist knows nothing of God and the reason the Believer is in 'No doubt' is because one humbles himself before God and allows God to lift him up, and the other expects God to humble Himself before the atheist and then perform God 'tricks' to prove Himself before man.

A perfect example of what I just said.

[Darkstar]

I think the argument is simple. "Trusting your own judgement based on what you can see and verify is arrogance - because then you are arrogantly declaring that you have the capacity to tell what's true and what's not. The humble thing to d is to not trust your own judgment and take someone else's word for it."

Couldn't have said it better. How dare we think anything we do is worth anything compared to god? We're all worthless sinners who better grovel at his feet to show appreciation for him not eternally torturing us. Yeah, that's gonna do wonders for your sense of self-worth...