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What is heaven?
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 (October 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm)Godschild Wrote:(October 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm)frankiej Wrote: I want to know how you know this... That's odd. I study tea leaves and I get an entirely different result. Hard to say which method should be more reliable.  
As far as I know, heaven isn't very well defined. It is basically whatever you want it to be, just like how you can cherry-pick which parts of the bible are true. Do they never realize that their desires do not change reality? (Or do they assume heaven will conform to their desires). In all honesty, especially given god's character, it would probably be endlessly worshipping him and being bathed in his 'glory'.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.  (October 13, 2012 at 5:34 am)frankiej Wrote: Does the soul become damaged if your brain is injured? Brain damage can definitely change who someone is. You are physically the same person, but mentally, it can alter someone greatly. Everything to do with a person's personality comes down to the brain.The brain conducts consciousness, but is not the source of consciousness. It's like if a lightbulb burns out - you don't get light anymore, because the conductor of light is damaged or destroyed. But that says nothing about the electrical current available in the light socket.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare  (October 14, 2012 at 3:41 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote:(October 13, 2012 at 5:34 am)frankiej Wrote: Does the soul become damaged if your brain is injured? Brain damage can definitely change who someone is. You are physically the same person, but mentally, it can alter someone greatly. Everything to do with a person's personality comes down to the brain.The brain conducts consciousness, but is not the source of consciousness. It's like if a lightbulb burns out - you don't get light anymore, because the conductor of light is damaged or destroyed. But that says nothing about the electrical current available in the light socket. And how did you come about this piece of knowledge about "consciousness"?  (October 14, 2012 at 3:41 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: The brain conducts consciousness, but is not the source of consciousness. It's like if a lightbulb burns out - you don't get light anymore, because the conductor of light is damaged or destroyed. But that says nothing about the electrical current available in the light socket. You are asserting this when all the evidence points to it not being true. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16...brain.html You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
Back on topic for a bit, if heaven is so great, why did the 'fallen angels' dis it?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy 
Heaven is what you make of your life. You can choose to make a heaven out of hell, a hell out of heaven.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
(October 14, 2012 at 3:41 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote:(October 13, 2012 at 5:34 am)frankiej Wrote: Does the soul become damaged if your brain is injured? Brain damage can definitely change who someone is. You are physically the same person, but mentally, it can alter someone greatly. Everything to do with a person's personality comes down to the brain.The brain conducts consciousness, but is not the source of consciousness. It's like if a lightbulb burns out - you don't get light anymore, because the conductor of light is damaged or destroyed. But that says nothing about the electrical current available in the light socket. Why do you assume consciousness is already out there, irrespective of their being appropriate brains about to house it? In your example the power potential of your wall socket seems more analogous to life itself or the environmental conditions which make it possible. Consciousness is more like the light bulb, because it is just one of the manifestations which life makes possible. Or if you like, because we value it so highly, perhaps it should be like a plug-in computer? Regardless, life no more depends on consciousness than the power in your outlet depends on that computer. Life goes on and the power potential remains without either one. Leastwise, if you think consciousness is a required for life itself .. I don't see where you've given any support for that position. RE: What is heaven?
October 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm by Darkstar.)
Dictionary.com Wrote:heav·en And this answers...nothing. There is never a specific definition given in the bible. Why not? Is it because some people might decide they don't like it? John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. |
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