Romney's 100 mil tax dodge

[Tino]

You fell for the bait. Legal and moral are TWO different things.

Who did something immoral and what did they do?

[Tiberius]

Tiberious, exactly how would this be any different than a soilder in WW2 killing a Nazi colaborator?

In a war, there are rules of engagement. It is acceptable to kill the enemy if they are trying to kill you. It is not acceptable to kill unarmed civilians, especially if they are your own citizens.

This cannot be handled like a SWAT team trying to prevent a hostage taker from killing hostages. Sometimes we can and do catch them without killing them. And we certainly do that here when they are on our soil where law inforcement has much more control. We cannot control their movements overseas or surround them like a SWAT TEAM.

Right, and if they are on foreign soil, the foreign government should be contacted for permission to proceed with an operation, or an arrest warrant requested with an extradition treaty. No country has a right to march into another - uninvited - and kill or capture some person, without first making a declaration of war, and even then the prisoner must be treated under the protocols of the Geneva convention.

If you have a better suggestion I'm all ears. But to suggest that every situation can or should be treated the same is absurd. ESPECALLY when dealing with people in countries we have no control over who want to kill us in the west.

Here's a suggestion: Don't break international law in order to get to someone in another country, whether it is to capture or to kill them.

I do think that due process is the norm and most certainly it should spread as a civil right in all countries. But the contries we are fighting don't allow us to extract them all the time the way you want.

Boo hoo. Then we don't get what we want, and we have to live with it.

FYI even on D-DAY our soldiers SHOT unarmed Germans trying to flee with no guns, shot them in the back. I know this because it was part of a memoral in which a soldier told his own story. He hated doing it and did not want to do it. I do not think Obama takes any decision he makes lightly nor would he kill if he knew absolutely he could take them alive.

Now again, if you have better suggestions I am all ears.

A lot of war crimes were committed by both sides in WWII. Shooting unarmed Germans trying to flee would be illegal these days.

[Violet]

In a war, there are rules of engagement. It is acceptable to kill the enemy if they are trying to kill you. It is not acceptable to kill unarmed civilians, especially if they are your own citizens.

Perhaps not acceptable to you, but they are not you. What is acceptable to someone else... is up to their discretion. Subjectivity, y'know...

Right, and if they are on foreign soil, the foreign government should be contacted for permission to proceed with an operation, or an arrest warrant requested with an extradition treaty. No country has a right to march into another - uninvited - and kill or capture some person, without first making a declaration of war, and even then the prisoner must be treated under the protocols of the Geneva convention.

Making a declaration of war is a mistake if the goal is maximal damage inflicted/minimal damage taken... attack first, and do not give your enemy time to prepare. There was a world before the Geneva convention... an agreement between many nations (but not all). The moment the pact is fractured, our species will again return to *openly* engaging in such behaviors that 'defy the convention'. Guantanamo Bay remains open, how prisoners 'must' be treated doesn't seem to have much affected how they are treated, and even with the mighty Geneva Convetion: who has the power or inclination to stop it?

If foreign soil cannot repel your armies seeking an individual/group and imprisoning them... then perhaps they should just get out of your way, as the weak have no right to stand before the strong? This can be demonstrated by the mighty butchering the fools who oppose them. 'Rights' don't mean shit unless the state declaring them has sufficient power to back them up.

Here's a suggestion: Don't break international law in order to get to someone in another country, whether it is to capture or to kill them.

Better idea... if you so fear the reaction of many nations, and still desire such an overextended act: do so quietly. Hunt down and assassinate the mark(s).

A lot of war crimes were committed by both sides in WWII. Shooting unarmed Germans trying to flee would be illegal these days.

Certainly illegal... but many states hold hypocritical power. And why should they not?