Child abuse ?

[Rayaan]

This was my opinion on homeschooling.
Now I do not deny that maybe under sircumstances I contradicted myself in the previos posts.
But you cant deny that I have posted my opinion, which includes all the things above several times, and you did not provide a counter argument.
The only thing you do is insisting that I contradict myself and that I make grammatical mistakes which make my points ununderstandable.
If that case is true, I would like to see my mistakes so I can correct myself.
Now would you provide a argument countering my opinion, or will you insist on making further useless comments centered arround - commenting on how people phrase their opinion.

Although you have a weakness in spelling and grammar, I think it is commendable that you are still making the effort to debate and explain your position in this thread so persistently.

/Compliment

[Something completely different]

I never denied that you posted your opinion.

Stating that one only post non understandabel and contradictory things - is denying that someone is posting his opinion.

So, now we have a clear outlook of what you believe. So, you do not think you have a right to tell parents what they teach their children?

Again, what one is taught at school and with what one is brought up with at home - are two different things.

A child should not be taught the fundermantals of a religion at school as if it were the truth.

If a child is brought up in a religious household - therefor grows up religious, due to the influence the parents have on the childs upbringing on a privat level - that is not school education.

You do not think that teaching religion is child abuse? If yes to both of the above, then we agree.

To pose as a educator when one is not, in order to indoctrinate children into a certain worldview under the pretext of being a legitemate educational institution is:

A abuse of power from the side of the "educator"

A abuse of the childs cognitive comliance, which is more capabel to receive and store newly learned knowlege - therefor abuse of the child.

And to let it happen is a failure to help a person in danger.

As for homeschooling, we have specific curriculum for children here to that parents have to adhere to.

So why are children taught creationism by homeschooling parents and religiously instituted schools?

I believe this is the right course of action. What I do not believe is that the government should have a say beyond that, barring actual abuse.

The goverment only underlines who has to right to call things education and who has not.
The scientific comunity and pedagogic experts have a monopoly on this.
They determin the curriculum - the goverment provides this curriculum to public schools and assure that privat schools follow the standerds of that curriculum or exceed it in it`s effectiveness.
Aswell as it makes sure that non-educative programs are not used in private and public schools, and that pseudo-educators cannot pose and therefor teach as legitemate educators.

[Shell B]

*facepalm* Two very simple questions, buddy. Yes or no questions, to be precise. Then, we get more of this. I don't have the time and patience anymore. Apologies.

[Something completely different]

So, you do not think you have a right to tell parents what they teach their children?

no in school, yes in privat.

You do not think that teaching religion is child abuse?

yes in school, no in privat

[Autumnlicious]

*facepalm* Two very simple questions, buddy. Yes or no questions, to be precise. Then, we get more of this. I don't have the time and patience anymore. Apologies.

The funny thing is, despite the breakdown of communications, both of you would probably agree on a crapload of things.

[Shell B]

I think so too, Moros. I was trying very hard to simplify the whole thing, but it just wasn't happening. I have too much to do to keep it up, unfortunately, though I'm sure I will find myself sucked back in.

[Napoléon]

Well then, please explain him being against home schooling in one post then only against homeschooling without a curriculum in the next.

Why should I? That's not my responsibility.

Also, I would love to hear your take on how parents should not teach religion in one post and then no, no, no only schools should not teach religion in the next.

I don't think his posts are like that. Then again, I actually bother reading his posts.

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt by saying it is an English problem.

Personally I thought it was a pretty sloppy excuse for just trying to disagree with him for the sake of it.

If you prefer the other option, that's fine.

And that is what, he's contradicting himself? I'd have to disagree.

[Shell B]

He even admitted that he was. Don't insinuate that I wasn't reading his posts just because you disagree with me. There is no reason for you to come in here and resort to your old bullshit tactics, Napo. I said I was joking around with you earlier in this thread, so remove the tampon, bro.

[Something completely different]

He even admitted that he was.

No I didnt, I said I would admit that there could be contradictions.
To be sure, they would have to be shown to me.

Which you cant............................. for some reason.


Still waiting for counterarguments.

[Shell B]

I did show it. Read the thread. All of the contradictions are there in the thread, but since your both dick pains, hang on a second.

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If "teaching them their religion" includes teaching them a biggoted worldview, rejection of democracy, pseudoscience and a discriminatory view of others - it is abuse.

The possibility of deliberatly raising a ignorant idiot shouldnt exist.

Me: You said you were against homeschooling.

At any rate. I did say that.

Clearly against teaching most religions and homeschooling.

You are absolutly not getting the point! I have nothing against a child being brought up with the religion of it`s parents aslong as the religion is bound within the framework of democracy and done at home.

Oh, not against teaching religion as long as it is taught at home?

And there is no limit to what parents can teach their children

As long as someone doesnt brutaly cut of the clitoris of his minor daughter or something like that, I have no problem with people practicing their religion in peace

Oh, so you don't mind if parents teach their kids religion as long as they don't hurt them?

You want to give the same zealots who would take the the rights given to them from those who gave them if they could - to be capable of indoctrinating children into their intolerant worldviews.

Oh, guess not.

i have no tolerance for the intolerant

Yep. Definitely not. Oh, wait.

How a parent raises a child is non of my buisness (as long as there is no violation of the law (sexual abuse, violence and other)

What exactly do you mean?

Now, if you require me to re-read the thread for you again, I'm too busy. Now, kindly do it yourself and decide exactly what you think.