what is god actually

[theVOID]

Retorth,

I think Sae and I agree. I am speaking philosophically from my understanding of science. I think Void is just adding some additional knowledge, not speaking against a six dimensional model of reality. To say time is a dimension does not negate that it is three.

Sae and Void,

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Rhizo

I don't know where you got your 6-dimensional model from... seems to be more of a philosophical musing rather than scientific hypothesis am i correct?

My understanding of time is of 3 dimensions of space x,y and z and a fourth dimension of time (t), this is what Darwinians avatar is about, a visual illustration of 4-dimensional space time. To say time is 3 dimensional is plain wrong, time is a single axis of movement and while multiple instances of time exist they would be different 4-dimensional inferences in higher dimension, dimensions of time curled up as infinite loops (of which our own time may be only one of a potentially infinite amount) and each loop would contain a different causal story of time within our universe.

When you think of dimensions it is helpful to start at the bottom and look at each one proceeding as a 'higher dimension' with a certain set of instructions, such as in a single dimension you can only move on X, back and forward but in a 2 dimensional model you can move on X and Y etc... so:

1 = +/-X
2 = +/-(X,Y)
3 = +/-(X,Y,X)
4 = +/-(X,Y,Z,T)

...etc

By the time we get to the fourth dimension we are able to move in (or see) 4 dimensions, if we were able to perceive the dimension of time it would be like seeing a trail of your own being showing where you had been and where you were going, everything would have another dimension of movement. Being 3 dimensional beings we only perceive 3 dimensional reality and can only imply time through it's effect (ie, why does anything change at all?).

String theory postulates 11 dimensions, which is beyond confusing, it is suspected that many dimensions are closed loops and represent other self contained 4 dimensional universes of space and time. The highest dimension (11) would contain all of the other dimensions, like 11 directions of movement from that perspective.

It's all pretty mind boggling (and still very hypothetical)

[Rhizomorph13]

Thanks for that Void,

Yes, my six-dimensional model is really just the most dimensions that I can comprehend and I would need 11 explained to me. So if time is only one dimensional how do you account for choices? That is why I say three dimensions of time.

I read Slaughterhouse Five and I saw Donnie Darko too! Trafalmadorians are awesome!

Rhizo

[theVOID]

Thanks for that Void,

Yes, my six-dimensional model is really just the most dimensions that I can comprehend and I would need 11 explained to me. So if time is only one dimensional how do you account for choices? That is why I say three dimensions of time.

I read Slaughterhouse Five and I saw Donnie Darko too! Trafalmadorians are awesome!

Rhizo

Choices happen inside 3-dimensional space and are recorded as causal snapshots running like film through time, if you are talking about the quantum idea of waveforms collapsing into every outcome, each representing a new time stream or universe, then you still aren't talking about multi-dimensional time, just 4 dimensional universes (containing their own space and time) inside a higher dimensional framework, so at minimum 5 dimensions, back & forward, left & right, up & down, past & future and between 4D 'ponds' or 'bubbles'.

The entire 11 dimensions is extremely confusing, even after studying a fair amount over the last few years, if you want you can look up string theory, general relativity, the 4th dimension, minkowski space-time etc

[theblindferrengi]

If time has more than one dimension, why is it so dficult, if not impossible, to go back in time, but speeding or slowing foreward traver in time is so easy?

[Rhizomorph13]

TBF,

How do you alter your speed through time?

Void,

The three dimensions of time would be xt by yt while we travel along the zt axis of time with all possible choices represented in xt and yt. The entire universe is but a point inside three dimensional time. That is how I comprehend it anyway, so if you could perceive time you would see our universe as a string that only occupies space along the zt axis. The habitable universes would be represented by a slightly thicker noodle that encompasses our perceived universe.

I have seen some two dimensional imaginings of four dimensions and I must say I honestly don't understand them.

Rhizo

[littlegrimlin1]

Im not sure if time travel backwards is possible. I thought us in the future would have figured it out and came back in time to us in order to advance our technology and knowledge for the better of earth. Then that would affect them, then us... and so on. ;\ That kinda crushed my hopes of time travel after pondering for a while on my own time. lol

[Rhizomorph13]

I would just buy a gold coin and then duplicate it through time travel. If you always go back to the same moment in time and place the gold coins from your stash in a place where nobody can access it then go to a point a minute before the minute you left then you could conceivably duplicate that coin.

Rhizo

[littlegrimlin1]

haha, you may duplicate the coin and yourself each time. I think slowing down and speeding up of time is possible of course... but I think its like an asymptote, like absolute zero, you can approach it.. but never acutally reach it... also like infinity. 1/x > 0 but never 1/x = 0. So... I don't think time can be reversed.

[Rhizomorph13]

Littlegrimlin,

You cannot change the speed at which you move through time unless you are talking about traveling near light speed which is something we are nowhere near being able to do. I have altered my index of time which resulted in a perception of time being slower or faster but that certainly didn't correlate with me actually moving through time at a different speed. Besides, if you go slow through time then the Langoliers will get you!

Rhizo

[theblindferrengi]

@Rhizo

You can speed up or slow down time by being in an extreme gravity well (a black hole) or going at relativistic speeds, near the speed of light.

Humans have sent people at relativistic speeds, as the space shuttle goes fast enough, (barely) but when you experience time slower or faster, you percieve it to be going at the same rate.

It seems what you are describing with the 3 dimentions of time is somewhat acurite, but not best described as having 3 dimentional time; because time is not spatial, it would not have a zt axis to begin with, therefore no xt or yt. Time as a dimention is very dificult to percieve in such a conventional way of thinking, trying to envision everything as being tangible, and existing inside our 3 dimentions; as time exists alongside our 3 perceivable spatial dimentions, it is intangible. I think of it as movement. Choices that are made that diverge is part of quantum mechanics; there is alot of good literature on quantum mechanics that helps to understand it, but to have a full understanding of quantum mechanics (as in to understand and visualize it as well as the workings of a vcr) is impossible, because most of its concepts are of extradimentional properties, that are intangible.


@Littlegremlin,

If timetravel back in time were posible in the future, then there would be evidense of it now, as in there would be predestination paradoxes everywhere (your little coin trick, btw if you did that there would instantly be an infinite number of those coins), and the present would be crammed full of junk from the past and future, because of so much time in the future, the number of travelings to time periods would become infinite. Perhaps it might become possible to build a machine that allows one to go back to the point in time the machine was brought online, but i think that is highly unlikely.