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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm
 If you want to be technical about it, I never explicitly stated that I concluded hell was eternal, and I did, technically, tell you not to take the original website's word for it.
If, hypothetically, hell were to both exist and serve as a finite sentence, then what happens when the sentence is over? What if you were sent there for blaspheming the holy spirit, which is unforgiveable?
Also, what is 'practically eternal'? Wouldn't that be indefinite, like 'almost infinite'? (I know they aren't your words, but I wonder if you have any ideas). Or, perhaps, does it mean "for all practical purposes" eternal, even though technically finite.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm
(December 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm)Darkstar Wrote: If you want to be technical about it, I never explicitly stated that I concluded hell was eternal, and I did, technically, tell you not to take the original website's word for it.
If you want to be technical about it, I never said you made a conclusion, did I? I mearly questioned whether you read your own posted definition...
(December 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm)Darkstar Wrote: If, hypothetically, hell were to both exist and serve as a finite sentence, then what happens when the sentence is over? What if you were sent there for blaspheming the holy spirit, which is unforgiveable?
I dunno, perhaps one would return "home" with God... Man said that "sin" was unforgivable, in a book, poorly translated... You do NOT have to believe everything you read...
(December 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Also, what is 'practically eternal'? Wouldn't that be indefinite, like 'almost infinite'? (I know they aren't your words, but I wonder if you have any ideas). Or, perhaps, does it mean "for all practical purposes" eternal, even though technically finite.
"Practically eternal" and "almost infinite" are contradictory and impossible by definition, don't you think?
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:32 pm
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(December 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm)catfish Wrote: (December 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm)Darkstar Wrote: If you want to be technical about it, I never explicitly stated that I concluded hell was eternal, and I did, technically, tell you not to take the original website's word for it.
If you want to be technical about it, I never said you made a conclusion, did I? I mearly questioned whether you read your own posted definition... Touche. I did read it, but I neglected to post a conclusion pending your interpretation because I was not certain that an unchallengable case could be made for either side.
(December 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm)catfish Wrote: (December 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm)Darkstar Wrote: If, hypothetically, hell were to both exist and serve as a finite sentence, then what happens when the sentence is over? What if you were sent there for blaspheming the holy spirit, which is unforgiveable?
I dunno, perhaps one would return "home" with God... Man said that "sin" was unforgivable, in a book, poorly translated... You do NOT have to believe everything you read... Well, I don't believe almost anything in the bible, but the book claims itself to be infalliable, so, I treat it as a canonical work of fiction. As you said before, any amount of it could be wrong, but we can still decide whether interpretations of certain text (such as the eternal punishment) are sound. I assume it to be true in the context of a fictional story; anything beyond the text cannot possibly be known 100%, only our best guess.
(December 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm)catfish Wrote: "Practically eternal" and "almost infinite" are contradictory and impossible by definition, don't you think?
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Yep, which is why I said "or perhaps...", and that is the definition I find most likely.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:38 pm
(December 7, 2012 at 8:32 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Well, I don't believe almost anything in the bible, but the book claims itself to be infalliable, so, I treat it as a canonical work of fiction. As you said before, any amount of it could be wrong, but we can still decide whether interpretations of certain text (such as the eternal punishment) are sound. I assume it to be true in the context of a fictional story; anything beyond the text cannot possibly be known 100%, only our best guess. (highlighted by myself)
I have problems with this statement, from both Christians and non, for numerous reasons. I'm pretty sure I know what you'll quote as support, but for the record, can you tell me why you would believe this?
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Quote:Yes, some false, some true, some history, some metaphorical, some parable, some outright forgeries...
What is your objective standard to judge which is which? Because we atheist have an objective standard: the compatibility with science.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:46 pm
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(December 7, 2012 at 8:38 pm)catfish Wrote: I have problems with this statement, from both Christians and non, for numerous reasons. I'm pretty sure I know what you'll quote as support, but for the record, can you tell me why you would believe this?
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You know what I'll quote? Because I don't...  Every Christian says it as though there's some big notice on the inside cover reading: "INFALLIABLE WORD OF GOD INSIDE" or something. If the book is the revealed word of god, then why would it have mistakes? (I understand human error, but if a god really cared, he could subtley use his power to keep it from being altered)
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:49 pm
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Dark...dark, you're assuming that a god would give a shit whether or not the contents of the bible are accurate. Why? There's nothing in there about any god. It would be like me getting pissed about Huckleberry Finn and then laboring to "correct" the narrative.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:49 pm
(December 7, 2012 at 8:46 pm)Darkstar Wrote: You know what I'll quote? Because I don't... Every Christian says it as though there's some big notice on the inside cover reading: "INFALLIABLE WORD OF GOD INSIDE" or something. If the book is the revealed word of god, then why would it have mistakes? (I understand human error, but if a god really cared, he could subtley use his power to keep it from being altered)
OK, so you believe what people tell you then?
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:52 pm
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(December 7, 2012 at 8:49 pm)catfish Wrote: OK, so you believe what people tell you then?
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I don't believe the bible is infalliable, but I have no good reason to think that it wouldn't claim that it was, or at least imply it.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 7, 2012 at 8:55 pm
(December 7, 2012 at 8:52 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (December 7, 2012 at 8:49 pm)catfish Wrote: OK, so you believe what people tell you then?
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I don't believe the bible is infalliable, but I have no good reason to think that it wouldn't claim that it was, or at least imply it.
If you haven't seen it for yourself, then can I assume you operate on faith? Are you a convert now? lol
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