Law Is Not For Us, Christians

[Something completely different]

wrongly accused.......................................


I´ll stay nice for once and ask for a statistic that proves your point.

[Christian]

wrongly accused.......................................


I´ll stay nice for once and ask for a statistic that proves your point.

http://www.in-support-of-fr-ed.com/About...tions.html

[Something completely different]

Frankly this is amongst the most repulsive bullshit I have ever read.

And that says alot coming from someone who read Mein Kampf and Maos red bible and critzisms of philosophy.

First off.

The only sources your article sites are from here:

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/fat...ive-leave/

A catholic newspaper.

Do you really believe that a catholic newspaper will be unbiased under these aligations considering that they purposly covered up cases of child abuse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Brady

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Bennison

The source is inlegitimate.

Only independent inqueries are permitted to bring fourth evidence and conclusions.
The very inquieries the catholic church tries to sabotage!

Second:

The comparison with the Salem which trials is inacurate and despicable,
since these trials were actualy the result of religious fundermentalism and the lack of independent huristical inquiery.

Third:

Some Reasons for False Accusations against Priests
False Memories
False memories are one of the reasons that people bring accusations against priests. Over time, memory changes, is rewritten, and people sometimes "remember" what never happened. Eyewitness testimony has been banned in many states as the sole source of factual information because of extensive research that shows that eyewitness testimony is unreliable and changes over time.
For more reading on the topic, please see:

"The Skeptic's Dictionary: False Memory" (an excellent overview of the subject, with links to more substantive readings)
Making Monsters: False Memories, Psychotherapy, And Sexual Hysteria (considered to be one of the leading books on the subject)

Disgusting!

The most vail and revolting attempt to weasel oneself out of this.

Do you really believe that the thousands of alligations from all arround the globe are the result of a sudden mysterious outbreak of a psychological disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fourth:

A growing reason for false accusations against priests is the willingness of dioceses over the past 20 years to settle cases for large sums of money. For some individuals, the ease of settlement and lure of riches is too much to pass up, and, in spite of any potential embarrassment, they lodge a false complaint.

Lawyers Specializing in Suing Priests and Dioceses
In the same way that individuals are lured by the seeming ease of suing a diocese, some lawyers troll the waters, looking for individuals willing to make a complaint in the hope of getting a large settlement.
A Google search will easily locate for you a list of law firms that specialize in suing priests and dioceses and articles that analyze the lucrative nature of their activities. It is not the purpose of this site to "out" these particular firms. However, we would point out that if an accuser uses a law firm from outside the county in which the abuse allegedly occurred, it may be one that specializes in "trolling the waters."
Greed

I guessed that would once come up.

Let me tell you one thing, most cases have been investigated by the police and offenders sentenced by courts on the basis of evidence and not rumor (as you patheticaly claim) and have been imprissioned.
It`s because of the coverup that settlements are demanded.

And frankly NO PARENT WITH A RAPED CHILD WILL SIMPLY FORGIVE THAT CHURCH.

Fünftens:

Unfortunately, parishioners or parish employees sometimes have a run-in with a priest and hold a grudge. Accusing the priest of sexual misconduct is not only a way of "getting back" at the priest, it is also accompanied by the opportunity to line the grudge-holder's pockets with settlement money.

A disgusting way of trying to make a victim who has proven that he was a victim look like the purpertrator.

sixt:

Mental Illness

It does happen that individuals who suffer from some kinds of mental illness actually believe that they were assaulted when that did not in fact occur. An example is the paranoid schizophrenic who made an allegation, then when the claim proved to be false, mentioned that she had a diagnosed mental illness that caused her to make the claim.

Yes certainly.................

A sudden and mysterious outbreak of thousands of cases of mental illness.

In the end I want to underline

Believe what ever you want about this case and about the field of justice.

We both live in nations with justice systems which require evidence and independent court trials to come to verdicts!!!

Make your opinion up scumbag!

Fact remains almoust every single verdict during the 90s came through such court trials and good old fashioned wounderfull police work.

Yes, most priests were sentenced in the late 90s in the US, it`s the coverup of the rapes by the church in the 70s, 80s which is causing the outrage.

Which by the way has been proven by independent inquiery, as I have shown in the two cases of Ireland and the state of California above.

I think you are a disgusting waste of organs who is trying to patheticaly put a smileysticker on a rape case.
A disgusting speciment who thinks his beliefs justify the discreditation of victims.
I frankly fail the words to express the level of disgust I feel towards you.
Doesnt matter anyway, since the catholic church is a rotting organisation which will not survive this century.

[Anomalocaris]

In 1 Timothy 1:9-10, the Holy Spirit writes through Paul, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...." By trying to keep the law, you expose yourself as truly lawless disobedient, ungodly, a sinner, unholy, profane, and so forth

"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." Romans 3:21-22

"We know that the law is good if one uses it properly." 1 Timothy 1:8

You see, for all God-fearing Christians, the law does not apply. The righteousness in us powered by the Holy Spirit makes us immune to any law of the land.

Let's see a demonstration of this immunity so we can properly discuss this immunity afterwards while your sanctimonious ass is being fucked by bruno the hairy assed child molester in the jail that you will be thrown into by the law you are immune to.

[pocaracas]

In 1 Timothy 1:9-10, the Holy Spirit writes through Paul, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...." By trying to keep the law, you expose yourself as truly lawless disobedient, ungodly, a sinner, unholy, profane, and so forth

"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." Romans 3:21-22

"We know that the law is good if one uses it properly." 1 Timothy 1:8

You see, for all God-fearing Christians, the law does not apply. The righteousness in us powered by the Holy Spirit makes us immune to any law of the land.

So much for you debating tactic....

I usually don't use references from our Good Book - Bible while debating here. Reason for this is that I don't want to see myself trying to proselytize others.
[...]
in rare cases, I may need to reference the Good Book.

ok, I'll let you have this one rare case.



OT: The thing with "the law of the land" is that it applies to everyone in the land where that law is in action.
Anyone is free to abstain from following the law... But if you're caught in that land, you'll have to answer for it.
If you manage to escape a particular country to avoid the law of that country, you may still be in jeopardy, given that there are some international protocols for cooperation between the authorities.

So, yeah... be my guest to go against "the law of the land"... but be ready to pay the consequences.

[killybob]

I think I need say no more than this: This topic speaks aloud, most elegantly, exactly why I find religion so very repulsive. With such an enormous mass of "lawless" people, almost any crime seems to be able to pass unnoticed for the most part. The Catholic church is flamboyant evidence of this. When you get such a group of people, who believe that their actions are divinely sanctioned, organized anarchy breaks out. With no real government to subdue them, and only an imaginary friend in their subconscious to guide them, all kinds of heinous acts will occur. Ethnic cleansing and other forms of extreme discrimination have occurred in every major religious uprising (like witch hunting, and the burning of thousands of protestants for example). Progress stops and we rapidly descend into a dark age, as happened about 1500 years ago when the Roman empire fell, just as a Roman named Hero developed a steam powered device, which actually became the basis of the Victorian technology in the industrial revolution! Just think what could have happened, had not muscular Christianity thrown us into a dark age!

Thanks a fucking lot religion. Whatever would we do without you?: Oh, I don't know, perhaps we would be exploring the galaxy by now, with no risk of illness because doctors thousands of years ago would have already developed germ theory, instead of passing it off as God's punishment? And maybe, just maybe, thousands of children and adults would not have been raped by divinely appointed priests, as is probably happening right now, on top of some pulpit somewhere in the Vatican.

You religious nuts are NOT above the law, and FUCK YOU for saying so.

[Jackalope]

You know, it's come to my attention that there's one in every group.

Apparantly its you.

[Ryantology]

Well, so much for there being any doubt that this guy is a Poe.

That is what I wish I could believe, but there are lots of Christians who really believe this. Some of them bomb abortion clinics. The rest are too lazy.

[RichardP]

In 1 Timothy 1:9-10, the Holy Spirit writes through Paul, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...." By trying to keep the law, you expose yourself as truly lawless disobedient, ungodly, a sinner, unholy, profane, and so forth

"But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." Romans 3:21-22

"We know that the law is good if one uses it properly." 1 Timothy 1:8

You see, for all God-fearing Christians, the law does not apply. The righteousness in us powered by the Holy Spirit makes us immune to any law of the land.

So..are you trying to show us how absurd your religious beliefs are??

When they referred to the "Law" weren't they referring to the Ten Commandments (Thou shalt not kill, steal, lie, commit adultery, malign, etc..).

How as "Christians" are you supposed to not be "..trying to keep the law.."? Would trying to always tell the truth be "..trying to keep the law.."? Would trying not to give into temptation and have an affair with some super hot woman be "..trying to keep the law.."?

How about somebody who kills people, lies, steals, maligns, and cheats on his wife -- can he argue that his behavior is "proof" that he -- as a Christian -- is not "..trying to keep the law.."!

Wait... now that wouldn't work because then he wouldn't be "righteous" and he wouldn't have the "..righteousness.. given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.."............

So............................ if the "Christians" are not keeping the law -- then they must not be "righteous" men. They must not be "Christians"... They don't possess the righteousness that would have been given to them if they had faith in Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And............. as this profound lesson from Paul teaches us we must not try to keep the Law -- because "..by trying to keep the law, you expose yourself as truly lawless disobedient, ungodly, a sinner, unholy, profane, and so forth."

SO DON'T "TRY"! WAIT A SECOND.. YOU ARE TRYING!!!! YES YOU ARE!!! YOU ARE DEFINITELY "TRYING"!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ME!!!!!!!! YOU ARE NO CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think that the Christians are lying when they argue that you are not "trying" to keep the LAW! And telling a lie breaks the Law --Thou shalt not lie.


Therefore they are not really "Christians"!! They are not really "righteous" men!!

This is all so confusing................