Woman burned alive for 'sorcery' in Papua New Guinea

[Drich]

Is Drich an Old Testament Jew? Then why would he practice New Testament Christianity by following Old Testament Judaism?

Oh yes! I'm terribly sorry, I'd forgotten that women in the past didn't feel pain and had no trouble with being burnt alive. I'm sure they were ok with it. Now burning a woman alive today would be wrong because it would hurt, and women just aren't in to that thing anymore. Besides, the eternal never changing god changed his mind about that anyway. Right?

What are you talking about Brakeman? I only pointed out that in your reference to the Pentatuche, you were speaking about a completely seperate Religion. Remember you all have Put Christianity on trial here not OT Judaism. That means you must judge Christianity by the rules that Govern that religion not a religion that has not been activly practiced for nearly 2000 years.

That would be like me holding you responsiable for something that the Koran says. How does that even make sense?

[Brakeman]

I only pointed out that in your reference to the Pentatuche, you were speaking about a completely seperate Religion. Remember you all have Put Christianity on trial here not OT Judaism.

Whoa! really? So you're saying that the OT jewish god is a completely different god than jesus' dad? That judaism and christianity are completely separate religions?

What percent of the rest of the known universe agrees with you there Drich?

So jesus was a jew, but not a OT jew. The temple where he first taught was a jewish temple, but completely different and unrelated to the other judean jewish temples. So when jesus spoke of Moses in Mark 7:10, he was talking about an entirely different guy named Moses completely unrelated to the basket boy Moses that parted the red sea.

Is there anyone else on the planet you live on Drich? Are there others that hold the position that the OT Jewish religion is completely unrelated to the christian religion? Got any links for that position?

[Drich]

Let me guess you've never ventured past your mother's sight till you went to school, and even then you never wandered far?

God you're an arrogant little shit, aren't you?

I diagnosis and 'fix' things for a living. What i have found over the years is that people if given the option, they will often times choose to keep working with something even if a component failure could cause a catastrophic accident, or a system wide shut down. Unless they are made to understand that their current understanding of 'how things work' is completely off base, they will not be open to being re-educated.

Like wise you needed to see that your whole line of 'critical reasoning' (in that because you believe that witches are not real, that none exist) was extremely naive, and childish. It was based on a 1/2 truth designed to make a little boy feel safe and secure about the world he lives in. When in fact the world does not operate that way. Could i have done all of this a different way? Absolutely, matter of fact I started out that way, but then i thought to myself why should I be worried about bruising your ego? You have set the tome and timbre of this and all of our discussions to this point. You push and force your ideas on to me, so why not return the favor? Why should you be any different than anyone else? My work here has always reflected the effort the person i am speaking with puts in. (plus or minus a few points)

Yes, and it doesn't make them any less wrong for burning her. But keep your note about perception in mind for a little later on, because I intend to beat your argument to death with it.

Again Her being burned is a non issue, of course it is wrong across the board. That is not what is being discussed. What is, are the members of this website who classify this act as being 'Christian' when clearly there are no laws in Christianity that condones it, or when you all classify this act as being cultural if they have no laws condoning the act in their society.

Again, this is an action perpetrated by individuals. My questions was: Did she know that the people in whom she was dealing with hated witches, or did she know that being a witch in a given area would get her killed?

Much like caring large sums of money in certain areas have been known to result in death. For instance we had a police officer in full uniform get shot in the back of the head at a bank in broad daylight just after he cashed his paycheck. What happened after that? 'we' (My wife and I) stopped using that branch even though it is the closest one to us at the time. why? because we knew that for certain people who lived in a given area, were prone to kill anyone who had cash on hand. Not that the community was bad but one or two members of that community had been confirmed to kill an armed police officer for a small envolope of cash.

Again if I had been a witch in that community and i knew witches were not welcomeby some I would stay out of the area because of those few who killed witches.

Excuse me? Minority Report? We're straw manning me this early? Do you think it's crazy to have a reasonable expectation of walking down the street without being set upon by criminals?

Again, unless a person commits a crime, how do you know them to be 'criminals?'

Do you think these people should be excused for having violent thoughts in the first place?

So.. Your advocating the need for a "thought police?" Where one can be arrested for what they actually think? Or is it just what you think they think?

Just a side question, Have you ever read 1984?

Yes, of course it's prudent to avoid confrontation like that if you can, and if you weren't so stuck on exaggerating every argument that comes your way rather than responding to it, you'd see that I never argued that in the first place. However, why should we just bow our heads and avoid those who would do us harm, rather than addressing why?

Because it is not a 'crime' to not like everyone (yet) and until our thoughts and feelings are regulated by the government (as you seem to be for) People of like minds will congregate and build communities with each other. Just because people tend to stick with those who think alike, does not make them criminals (yet.)

]Not the issue being discussed.

It is if you keep insisting it's somehow her fault for being burnt alive.

Show me one place where I did. Again I started out using queues from a perceived Christian argument,(against witches) but if you take the time to look past your self righteousness, you will note i never said it was her fault. I just asked was she aware of a given situation... Again Just seeing who among you can think on their feet and who defaults to the olde standard Atheist arguments.

Remember that perception thing we talked about earlier? It doesn't fucking matter what your perception of the bible is, in this case It matters what the people committing the crime believed, and they believed themselves to be good Christians, given that once again, Christian nation..

It does Matter what I believe.... but It matters what someone else believes...

...wait Their more:

I know you're so amazingly arrogant that you believe your own unsubstantiated perversion of your religion is the only one that matters, but it's not. Try to keep that in mind: even within your own religion, you are in the minority.

Oh, Ok sorry. So let me get this straight. My beliefs are meaningless, but if someone who takes the name 'Christian' but does not adhere to the 'rules' of Christianity does something that you can use to persecute Christianity as a whole (including me and the apparent minority of billions behind me..) What they believe counts.. Wait Here it comes again..

Seriously? What bigot farm where you raised? It's real simple farm boy: In order to blame Christianity for doing "X" then "X" must be apart of the Christian bi-laws. If a person does "X" and Christian laws have nothing to do with "X" then this is no longer a "Christian" matter.

Again unless you can show me a CHRISTIAN LAW That commands that we burn witches. You need to accept your bigotry. Claim it, own it, you be free-er to say, do, and 'think' as you like.

Plus you won't be made to look the fool for trying to manipulate simple logic to defend your arguments.
Give it a shot, try it with your next post and see how you like it. Minnie does not seem to take issue with it.. ANd He was voted the best poster on this whole website! If nothing else he is honest about who he is and I really can respect that. (for what it's worth)

The one where you sneered and said "look it up yourself?" Oh, I did.

I left a link.

So if you don't think that, why are you defending it here?

Because I am not being used as fire wood.

I guess you only care about persecution when you're the one being persecuted?

It's not about me. It's about you all labeling that whole community as witch hunters. Or labeling Christianity as promoting witch hunting when clearly it does not...

Two things: one, hearing you talking about getting other people to think is pretty rich, given you never seem to think about what we tell you, at all.

Not what I said. I said I wanted to see who could think on the fly and who could not.

And second, at least do me the courtesy of spelling my fucking name right.

I see what I can do.

Popular morality? What the fuck are you even talking about? Not one of us is arguing that murder is fine.

Your getting into Brakeman territory now. i am starting to feel that same urge to use words like Stupid and dummy to describe your work like I do his.. The term "popular morality was not used in conjunction with trying to determine if 'murder' was wrong. It was used to show the sliding scale of acceptability in the bigotry and racist remarks made against the people of this Island nation, in order to condemn Christianity.

Please provide just one quote from this thread that is bigoted, or that condemned anything other than the people who committed the crime and the religion that inspired it.

Start with Popeyes' Quote on Page two. it reads like something Goebbles wrote against the "inferiority of non Aryan races." He painted a completely oneside picture of All who live there, gave no reference material, quotations, or any discernible facts of any kind. it was all just random facts/feeling used to condemn an entire nation of people, just so he could come after their 'national religion.' Which is at the heart of my work here, in that YOU Did not even recognize it!

That is what was meant as popular morality. I mean if Popeye Goebbles over there were talking about a black man in a cotton field somewhere I'd bet my last pay check you would be able to identify right and wrong then, but the need to crush Christianity and to show it as the 'greater of two evils' has you over look and sacrifice your popuraly moral stance on racism, in order to achieve the greater goal of making Christians look Evil. Even if their isn't anything tying Christianity to the actions of the individuals who killed that poor woman. You all default in condemning the whole community as being caniables inorder to make a run on the national religion.. Which is appearently ok because they are not black people in a cotton field or in the plains of Africa.

And no matter how much you blind yourself to it, yes there are religious instructions in the bible regarding witches, and odds on those instructions led to this turn of events.

Again your default logic is an appeal to ignorance. After I have explained and it is well known that the Bible in which you Speak represents Two Very distinct religions. We are speaking of Christianity here, and as such their are no laws in Christianity that even approach approval of this act.
As such your appeal to ignorance only deepens the case I have made to your bigoted comments, because even after you have been educated to the nature and separation made in the bible (between OT Judaism and NT Christianity) you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law. Why? Because you know as well as I do, that you would have to concede your argument otherwise. (That is why I get to call you a bigot over and over again.) Because by definition your actions coincides with the definition of a bigot: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Or perhaps it shows a genuine conviction in the concept? How about this, Drich: if the religion wasn't to blame, kindly provide us with an alternate hypothesis.

These were the actions of a frightened scared people who for all intense and purposes thought they killed a witch that was causing them harm. One does not have to be 'religious' to lash out at what he does not understand. (your posts should be evidence of that)

Where did this belief in witches, and this method and desire to dispose of them come from, if not the bible?

Maybe do a Google search before you issue a challenge like this, It only took me 2 minutes to make you look.. Not so smart here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt

[Brakeman]

.. you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law.

I didn't make this claim. I said it is the exact same god. It was jesus' father that said these words. The same unchanging god. Whether or not christians can make an out for themselves to avoid the chore of burning witches is not the point. The point is that it is jesus' dad that said to do this horrific thing. Jesus himself was born into this OT jewish religion and walked among the jewish throng that believed that this is the right thing to do. Did jesus correct them by saying that daddy was wrong about that? Did jesus say "forget all those old rules, my dad was just being an ass?" Do you think that in all the 33 years of his life down here he never once heard of anyone talk about killing witches? When jesus went into the temples, did he say to the rabbis that they had it a little bit wrong, or everything wrong to the point of calling them a completely different religion?

[Drich]

Whoa! really? So you're saying that the OT jewish god is a completely different god than jesus' dad? That judaism and christianity are completely separate religions?

You not serious are you?

What percent of the rest of the known universe agrees with you there Drich?

Ask any Jew if he thinks himself to be Christian. Ask him if he celibrates the resurection, ask him if he ignores the rights and rituals of the jewish faith in favor of the freedom offered by christ, see what he says.. Then ask a Christian if he will have his smeckle sniped for the sake of being in compliance with OT Judaism, to Ignore the freedom he has accepted that was offered by Christ in exchange for an existance that binds him to the Law as the only way to obtain righteousness.. What's More I do not think that even the most conservitive sect of Judaism practices the faith as OT Jews did. (As aren't any temple sacerfices being offered, because there is this big dome sitting on the one spot where these things are supposed to take place.)

I wouldn't say 100% (because people will say things just to be contary), but i am pretty sure their is a clear distinction between the two faiths that the majority will not deny.

So jesus was a jew, but not a OT jew.

Who said that? The comencement of the "New Testament" was after the sacerfice, and the out pouring of the Holy Spirit as recorded in Acts Chapter 2.

The temple where he first taught was a jewish temple, but completely different and unrelated to the other judean jewish temples. So when jesus spoke of Moses in Mark 7:10, he was talking about an entirely different guy named Moses completely unrelated to the basket boy Moses that parted the red sea.

Fail

Is there anyone else on the planet you live on Drich? Are there others that hold the position that the OT Jewish religion is completely unrelated to the christian religion? Got any links for that position?

I feel like I am being punked'. How is this even up for dispute? Where did you grow up? what church did you attend that taught you the Jews are the same religion as Christian???

Here is your "proof" (Jewish and Christian sites)
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=na...-boY&pbx=1

Plus how full of yourself are you to issue a challenge that you do not first do a google check? Do you not have google where you live? You are like the second one today..

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.. you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law.

I didn't make this claim. I said it is the exact same god. It was jesus' father that said these words. The same unchanging god. Whether or not christians can make an out for themselves to avoid the chore of burning witches is not the point. The point is that it is jesus' dad that said to do this horrific thing. Jesus himself was born into this OT jewish religion and walked among the jewish throng that believed that this is the right thing to do. Did jesus correct them by saying that daddy was wrong about that? Did jesus say "forget all those old rules, my dad was just being an ass?" Do you think that in all the 33 years of his life down here he never once heard of anyone talk about killing witches? When jesus went into the temples, did he say to the rabbis that they had it a little bit wrong, or everything wrong to the point of calling them a completely different religion?

At this point I am convinced your a troll, for no one can truly be this obstinate..

...Have you ever heard of Simon the sorcerer? How did Peter deal with him?

[Violet]

"Was she wearing skimpy clothing out in public? Did she present herself as wanting to get raped?"

Well, if she was wearing skimpy clothing in public, it's wholly possible that her doing so contributed to her being raped. No, we shouldn't blame her for someone else's lack of control/overwhelming desire/power trip... but we certainly can tell her that she was taking an unnecessary risk, and would be less likely to be taken as a sexual objective if she wasn't showing herself off as a sexual objective

Really, I do worry when a pretty thing has dressed herself scantily... because if how she's presenting herself is giving rise to my sexual interests: it's also likely giving rise to the sexual interests of someone with far less control/restraint... or a far greater desire to subjugate another to one's dominance.

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Hey Drich? Has it ever occurred to you that people can be angry at more than one thing at a time? The fact is, it goes without saying that we're angry at the people who burned her. The simple fact that we're condemning the burning of this woman at all implies we don't like the act! There's nothing racist here, you blithering idiot. Not one of us has mentioned race, let alone in a negative context. The one difference between what we're doing and what you're doing is that we're all intellectually honest enough to see that religion is clearly at fault here too.

I'm not angry... but filled with a sort-of condescending pity. The act is a symptom, and there are many other acts of varying fatality for the people who live there...

Religion here, is also a symptom. That these people's culture is one of fear is likely the shaky foundation upon which their religious understanding is built. When the earth quakes, the building topples, and panic rules the minds of the masses.

Because, and think this one through carefully, but where do you think these people got the idea that witches exist at all? Or that they're a threat that needs to be put down? There's no physical evidence of witchcraft, because witchcraft does not exist. Where are they most likely to have gotten these ideas from? They're not naturally occurring concepts, after all.

Before Christianity and Islam existed, there were witches. I don't believe they consider an individual witch a threat. Their is plenty of 'physical' evidence that witches exist, not that these people are concerned with the physical.

If witchcraft isn't 'naturally occurring', why is it so very prevalent?

But, crazy as it sounds, they do appear in the holy book that these people, belonging to a predominantly christian nation, will have read. And lo and behold, despite your ignorant denials, there are indeed exhortations to murder witches in that same book! How crazy! /sarcasm.

Strange then, that so many of them do not or cannot read.

One wonders why Jesus wasn't murde-oh wait.

Funnily enough, there's not exactly a huge tradition of atheists burning witches, now is there? I wonder why that would be? After all, according to you, religion doesn't come into it, so there should be at least some evidence of that...

We're too busy pleasuring witches to be overly concerned with burning them alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d8hZtvRPno

Or was that just me?

[Esquilax]

So.. Your advocating the need for a "thought police?" Where one can be arrested for what they actually think? Or is it just what you think they think?

Just a side question, Have you ever read 1984?

No, I'm saying wouldn't it be nice if we could look into the root causes of those violent thoughts and try to address them, to make people less anti social and willing to do others harm? You know, to reduce the need for human suffering?

And yes, I love 1984, it's one of my favorite books.

It does Matter what I believe.... but It matters what someone else believes...

...wait Their more:

Yes. It doesn't matter what you believe in this case, unless you're trying to tell us you were a part of that mob?

But right here, you're arguing that the religion of these people did not contribute to their crime, and therefore what they believe and how they came into those beliefs is the important question to consider. Whether or not you believe they measure up to your own standards is a non issue, since they've never met you, and probably wouldn't give a fuck about your imprimatur even if they had.

Oh, Ok sorry. So let me get this straight. My beliefs are meaningless, but if someone who takes the name 'Christian' but does not adhere to the 'rules' of Christianity does something that you can use to persecute Christianity as a whole (including me and the apparent minority of billions behind me..) What they believe counts.. Wait Here it comes again..

Seriously? What bigot farm where you raised? It's real simple farm boy: In order to blame Christianity for doing "X" then "X" must be apart of the Christian bi-laws. If a person does "X" and Christian laws have nothing to do with "X" then this is no longer a "Christian" matter.

You really don't get it, do you? Your personal beliefs disagree with both the bible itself, and the beliefs of mainstream christianity in most denominations. If you want to field strip the bible to get your own personal moral code then that's fine, but you need to get it through your head that your personal beliefs don't magically become the one true definition of christianity. There are other christians, they have beliefs that are different from yours, and you are not the king of the bible who can decide that they aren't true christians.

Get off your fucking high horse.

Again unless you can show me a CHRISTIAN LAW That commands that we burn witches. You need to accept your bigotry. Claim it, own it, you be free-er to say, do, and 'think' as you like.

I did show you. Twice. But because they don't match up with your beliefs, you, some jumped up believer with no credible reason to be believed yet the arrogant assertion that only his version of christianity is the correct one, you dismiss it out of hand.

Tell me again why your personal beliefs matter when determining the motivations of a separate group of people in another country?

It's not about me. It's about you all labeling that whole community as witch hunters. Or labeling Christianity as promoting witch hunting when clearly it does not...

I certainly label the ones who burnt someone at the stake for being a witch as witch hunters. And once again, two distinct exhortations to kill witches. Two.

Again your default logic is an appeal to ignorance. After I have explained and it is well known that the Bible in which you Speak represents Two Very distinct religions. We are speaking of Christianity here, and as such their are no laws in Christianity that even approach approval of this act.

Alright, then let me ask you this: does the old testament reflect the will of the same god as the new testament? If yes, then the old testament reflects his character just as much as the new testament does. If no, then either you're a pantheist in violation of your own first commandment, or is it that you feel that there was no god in that book? Your words tend to indicate you think it's the same god, but in that case,how could you possibly claim some distinction between his old testament and new testament persona and orders?

And before you say he changed, would you let your kids play with a pedophile because he's gone a few years clean?

As such your appeal to ignorance only deepens the case I have made to your bigoted comments, because even after you have been educated to the nature and separation made in the bible (between OT Judaism and NT Christianity) you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law. Why? Because you know as well as I do, that you would have to concede your argument otherwise. (That is why I get to call you a bigot over and over again.) Because by definition your actions coincides with the definition of a bigot: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

See above. And besides, I don't care about what you believe, I care about what's in the bible. And according to that, the word of god is eternal and not a jot or tittle of it will ever be changed.

Your beliefs do not equal christianity.

These were the actions of a frightened scared people who for all intense and purposes thought they killed a witch that was causing them harm. One does not have to be 'religious' to lash out at what he does not understand. (your posts should be evidence of that)

Maybe do a Google search before you issue a challenge like this, It only took me 2 minutes to make you look.. Not so smart here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt

And somehow you think it's less likely that 96% christian Papua New Guinea got their beliefs from a biblical source? Fine, live in denial then. Just know that "nuh-uh!" isn't an argument, and unless you can provide a real argument there's no reason to continue.

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If witchcraft isn't 'naturally occurring', why is it so very prevalent?

What I mean is, nobody comes into a belief of witches without being prodded by someone else. It's a meme that's propagated by other people, not something that one can just look around and see.

We're too busy pleasuring witches to be overly concerned with burning them alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d8hZtvRPno

Or was that just me?

It's not just you.

[Violet]

What I mean is, nobody comes into a belief of witches without being prodded by someone else. It's a meme that's propagated by other people, not something that one can just look around and see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhw_zbvxvb4

All it takes for magic to be postulated is one superstitious pigeon

But I agree to a large extent, the typical tropes we see today are largely cultural.

It's not just you.

I knew I liked Missy for a reason

[Drich]

You really don't get it, do you? Your personal beliefs disagree with both the bible itself, and the beliefs of mainstream christianity in most denominations. If you want to field strip the bible to get your own personal moral code then that's fine, but you need to get it through your head that your personal beliefs don't magically become the one true definition of christianity. There are other christians, they have beliefs that are different from yours, and you are not the king of the bible who can decide that they aren't true christians.

If I call myself a Fireman, does it make me one? What if i drive a red truck and own a fire extingusher? Am I an offical fireman then? No. I am not. Like wise if a person who calls himself Christian or commits acts in the name of God, can not support his actions biblically, then his acts whether be deemed good bad or indifferent they are not 'Christian' in orgin despire what he may believe.

Tell me again why your personal beliefs matter when determining the motivations of a separate group of people in another country?

No matter where we live all 'christians' answer to the same bible. It is this bible that we can use to inspect the spiritual 'Fruit' of another.

I certainly label the ones who burnt someone at the stake for being a witch as witch hunters. And once again, two distinct exhortations to kill witches. Two.

Not only that you have used this one incodent to condemn a whole community

Alright, then let me ask you this: does the old testament reflect the will of the same god as the new testament?

The Old Testament reflects the Expressed will of god without the benfit or the filter of attonement. Once attonement had been established 'righteousness' through the law was made impossiable.
Again, OT Jews Had to follow the Law to find Righteousness, Christians are found Righteous Apart from the law. That is what makes them two completely seperate religions.

Your beliefs do not equal christianity.

Neither do yours. that what the bible is for. Again if their deeds can not be found in the bible as a governing light Christians exhibit, then their deeds were not Christian in nature.

you think it's less likely that 96% christian Papua New Guinea got their beliefs from a biblical source?

Here you go again with that bigotted thinking. You have painted the whole "96%" of that country in a negitive light just so you can attack Christianity. I have no idea where the people of Papua New Guinea get their beliefs. If they get them from the Nt of the bible then their deeds subsequently their actions can be labled as Christian in orgin. If not then they have created their own religion based off of Biblical Christianity..
The two are not the same thing.


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[Esquilax]

If I call myself a Fireman, does it make me one? What if i drive a red truck and own a fire extingusher? Am I an offical fireman then? No. I am not. Like wise if a person who calls himself Christian or commits acts in the name of God, can not support his actions biblically, then his acts whether be deemed good bad or indifferent they are not 'Christian' in orgin despire what he may believe.

How are you not getting this? You don't get to decide who is christian and who isn't! Your personal beliefs don't matter to anyone but you. Do you not understand that people can disagree with what you think, and their opinions and beliefs aren't somehow inferior just because they aren't yours? Do you not understand that your entire position here is the No True Scotsman fallacy? Do you not understand that you aren't the adjudicator of other people's beliefs? Or maybe you don't, maybe that's the problem. Maybe you're so unbelievably arrogant that you actually think your opinion matters more than anything else, at all times.

I've shown you where these people can justify their actions biblically, and you dismiss it out of hand based on nothing more than your own opinions, despite what's literally written down in your holy book. Being that you're not the king of religion, I feel like you lack a certain credibility there.

No matter where we live all 'christians' answer to the same bible. It is this bible that we can use to inspect the spiritual 'Fruit' of another.

Everyone except you, apparently, given how much you twist the bible to suit your purposes.

Not only that you have used this one incodent to condemn a whole community

Do I condemn the hundred or so people who stood by as an innocent woman burned to death? Yeah, I do. Shouldn't you?

The Old Testament reflects the Expressed will of god without the benfit or the filter of attonement. Once attonement had been established 'righteousness' through the law was made impossiable.
Again, OT Jews Had to follow the Law to find Righteousness, Christians are found Righteous Apart from the law. That is what makes them two completely seperate religions.

So, god had to be an evil, spiteful monster, in order to become a good guy later? And you're perfectly okay with believing that? Seriously?

Neither do yours. that what the bible is for. Again if their deeds can not be found in the bible as a governing light Christians exhibit, then their deeds were not Christian in nature.

And let me guess, you're the one who gets to decide what actions are christian or not? You're just ignoring the parts of the bible that don't suit your purposes, and the problem with that is, the bible can be twisted to justify almost anything. Only those two quotes I gave you? Pretty explicit, can't be shifted to mean something else.

Neither can Malachi 3:6, by the way. Maybe look it up.

Here you go again with that bigotted thinking. You have painted the whole "96%" of that country in a negitive light just so you can attack Christianity.

Not at all. I merely mention it to show you that statistically speaking these people were more likely to be christian than not. But you need to stop calling me a bigot, you jacked up simpleton. Because I'm not condemning the entire community, nor the race. I condemn the people who committed the crime, as I should. But I'm also not going to give the religion that probably inspired it a pass, either. Religion isn't special or immune to criticism. When it does wrong, when people do evil in its name, I'm going to have harsh words for it, too. Unlike you, who simply labels those people not christian anymore based on the amazing cosmic power to alter people's beliefs that you don't have, and move on.

I have no idea where the people of Papua New Guinea get their beliefs. If they get them from the Nt of the bible then their deeds subsequently their actions can be labled as Christian in orgin. If not then they have created their own religion based off of Biblical Christianity..
The two are not the same thing.

Seriously, is your whole argument No True Scotsman? Weak.