Why can't science detect angels and demons?

[thesummerqueen]

It makes me want to lead everyone in a rousing chorus of "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands..." ♪♫

[pocaracas]

clap clap

[EGross]

In Islam, Angels do not descend without a reason, that reason is mainly to deliver a message from god.

[...snip...]

But if angels appeared people will believe in god ; god doesn't want an easy path like that.

And that is why I don't believe in a god. "Hey, all you had to do was whisper in my ear. You went on vacation, fine, but don't get pissed off because atheism is growing." The idea that god is dishonest, because he gets off playing these games of hide and seek, where he can never be found by the unbeliever, are cute, but are diminished what he is supposed to be.

One of my major rules: I will never pray to a god who is more emotionally or mentally messed up than I am!

[thesummerqueen]

Hear hear, EGross!

[Baalzebutt]

Philosophy more than science, I know. But if angels appeared people will believe in god ; god doesn't want an easy path like that. That's why I -personally- believe that non of them would appear to any of us.
The devil in Islam is the little dark voice inside your mind which tells you not to believe. Where does he live or how does he transfer those ideas to us ? nobody knows but god.

Funny. He didn't seem to have problem with "an easy path like that" in the olden days. He was appearing and speaking to everyone all the time.

Why would it be any different now seeing as how god is perfect and unchanging and all.

[ronedee]

It makes me want to lead everyone in a rousing chorus of "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands..." ♪♫

Perfect! I was wondering where this exercise in futility would lead?

The "Romper Room" debate!

Angels & demons that would do the bidding of their respective masters? And why would anyone with a brain, waste a nanosecond of an electron pulse on this subject?

[EGross]

Well, I've watched most of the episodes of "Supernatural". I think I know how it works. After all, if prayer can control god, then angels and demons should be a snap!

[WinterHold]

In Islam, Angels do not descend without a reason, that reason is mainly to deliver a message from god.

[...snip...]

But if angels appeared people will believe in god ; god doesn't want an easy path like that.

And that is why I don't believe in a god. "Hey, all you had to do was whisper in my ear. You went on vacation, fine, but don't get pissed off because atheism is growing." The idea that god is dishonest, because he gets off playing these games of hide and seek, where he can never be found by the unbeliever, are cute, but are diminished what he is supposed to be.

One of my major rules: I will never pray to a god who is more emotionally or mentally messed up than I am!

I would understand your feelings if you weren't owning a masterpiece like the human mind.

The way I see god treating -and talking- to people in the Quran, it only points out to one thing ; god is taking us seriously more than we do.
Our mind is very strong, that's why god doesn't appear ; your mind should be able to detect him from the surrounding natural structures including our bodies. I -for example- find it really difficult not to believe after knowing what the DNA is.

Life is a mere test, we need to be isolated from seeing god in order to take the exam. God sent us free to roam earth as a test for each of us, eventually you're here for yourself, your work & faith is for yourself ; god doesn't take benefit from that.

The Quran states that this test "had to be done", god doesn't play hide & seek : ) he simply gave us notes & books which describes why we're here. We can study & pass, or stay lost & fail.

It's always up to the person.

[thesummerqueen]

Sounds like a bunch of special pleading, Atlas.

[EGross]

Our mind is very strong, that's why god doesn't appear ; your mind should be able to detect him from the surrounding natural structures including our bodies.

Or, as I see it, since the strong minded cannot detect him, then only the weak minded ones can.

Therefore, god rejects the strong minded people and seeks only the weak minded ones to serve and obey...