Women. You have men by the balls.(...)

[A Theist]

I had a quick look John. There were some women lawyers making a case, plus others saying about flexible working arrangements helping to balance a family life.

I guess at the extremes you need to spend so much time on something, and children being quite a commitment if you're trying to balance the two... that "having it all" is not humanly possible.

Talking about the rest of us tho... career breaks, changing careers, fast tracked progress through the ranks seems quite normal anyway for most people in most jobs. And childcare isn't without it's skills very valuable to employment prospects.

That's the imbalance that's being addressed IMHO.

I guess at the extremes you need to spend so much time on something, and children being quite a commitment if you're trying to balance the two... that "having it all" is not humanly possible.

Not necessarily...depends on what you think 'having it all' is. Some people will never be contented with what they have, never feeling they have it all. Some believe they can have it all and be content with what little they have....

"6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content." - 1 Timothy 6:6 & 7

[Greatest I am]

No.

You men don't get to blame us for why the world is fucked up. Take goddamn responsibility for yourselves and act right.

I clearly blamed men.

Or are you saying women will not take their rightful place because they are afraid of a bit of blame?

If so, live with male dominance and the institutionalized subjugation of females. Just co not bitch when your daughters and granddaughter bitch at you inaction.

Regards
DL

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...so those given the least power by the authoritarian hierarchy actually have all the power?

What have you to say about that annoying little stat... what was it... oh yeah...

99.9% of 'top' business & political roles, globally, are held by men.

Your stat is B S but men are overrepresented for sure.
Hence all our problems.

Exactly my point. Women are paying men to fight and die for their pleasure.

There is no doubt that women control the economy.

Regards
DL

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lol.

There are incredibly driven, intelligent, and amazing women out there who SHOULD be in power. And there are incredibly fucked up, psychotic and disgusting women out there too.

No one sex holds all the compassion or forgiveness or mercy in the world. Men are just as capable of it as women. And women are just as capable of holding power with aplomb. This bullshit about us needing to take it from men in order to fix the ills of the world is just ridiculous. Why can't you men simply act like responsible compassionate human beings instead? Why should we have to follow a stereotype of "Grabbing you by the balls"? Isn't that insulting? Doesn't that make you grunting cavemen? Have you so little confidence in your own gender that you think a vagina to be more powerful and less susceptible to ills than a penis?

If you think women are the ones who have the empathy and sympathy necessary to act right and save the world, it's only because you have raised your boys to think that emotions are weaknesses and that to be 'gentle' and solve through reason and diplomacy is effeminate and also weak. You have backed your own selves into a corner in an effort to out-man each other.

I agree with something Moros showed me a long time ago. Be more like Atticus Finch. Care less about your manhood in the face of the public and more about doing the right thing. Then you wouldn't have to come squalling for a bunch of vaginas to smooth over all the bruises and put bandaids on your booboos and wail over your graves.

Actually. I liked what you said even as I do not put us equal but put women above men.

" Why can't you men simply act like responsible compassionate human beings instead? ".

I guess it is because of the way men are reared, primarily by their mothers, and do not maintain respect for them over time.

If women do not take what is their's then do not expect the immoral part of mankind to give it to you.

Equality is something taken. Not something given.

Regards
DL

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Fuck all these arbitrary gender roles. Stop worrying about who you are or whether you're living up to someone else's idea of what is socially expected or acceptable and just do what comes comfortably to you.

There are certainly asshole women who are in power. I've heard some nasty things about some of the grand daughters of Sam Walton, for example. Granted, there are still some patriarchial power structures in place which have resulted in more men being in positions of power. That's changing, though, and there are more and more women in positions of power. As it is, women are getting 60% of college degrees nowadays. What's more, if you take 100 women in positions of power and 100 men in equal positions of power, I think you'd find just as many assholes in both groups. Being a jerk is not a gendered trait.

Take a look at the jail stats and think again.

Look at any school yard if you cannot research the stats.

Regards
DL

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No, "Greatest I am", women can't rule the world! You're gnostic.

Have you forgotten 1 Timothy 2:12?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

Correct. I am a Gnostic Christian and that is why I do not read scriptures literally as they are men's wish list in terms of women's position in society.

I do believe in the Godhead that is accessed from within all of us though and that is why God is no more important than Goddesses.

Regards
DL

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No.

You men don't get to blame us for why the world is fucked up. Take goddamn responsibility for yourselves and act right.

yes we do all the world's problems are women's fault..... read your bible adam and eve.......... eve is the reason were not in paradise

thanks alot cunts

Only to those foolish enough to think man produced Eve without a womb.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

[quote='thesummerqueen' pid='404900' dateline='1361550016']
I know a LOT of male artists. I am one of them. Do I not come off as "manly" enough?

Actually the way you're hanging your hand/wrist is pretty gay. Shoulda had it in a fist or something.

But re: OP. Women are good for giving men sex and raising kids. Ruling the world not so much.

Your founding father agrees. I do not.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Martin Luther “

“If a woman grows weary and, at last, dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing - she is there to do it.”
- Martin Luther

Regards
DL

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There have been lots of female politicians in high places. I don't think there's been any evidence that they've either been better or worse than their male counter parts.

Women rules a peaceful world for near 20,000 years before man took over after creating weapons strong enough to kill each other with.

Man has rules since and the 3,000 years of war are the result.

Regards
DL

[Mystical]

I love how the greatest hardship women have to endure in their "taking over the world" plan, doesn't even warrant a response from the Great I Am.

Apparently only John V has the balls to tackle that one. Well played John. Oh and a response is coming tonight, just been busy with the kids.

[Mystical]

Duly noted and confirmed, the bible does not outright say that women are inept. Nor does it say women are adulterers for getting a divorce only, and yes it is clear to me now that just because my dad interpreted all those verses with regards to women the way he did, doesn't mean that that's what it was saying. He is wrong. Doesn't change the fact that my family suffered because of the tenets written in this book claiming to be the word of god, because they are up for interpretation and the bible has no qualms with sexism thus it propagates it whether maliciously or no. If I were god I wouldn't let half that stuff through because I'd know it would be taken wrong or in ignorance. Or that it might just be taken right, in the case of "suffer no witch to live," etc.

I apologize for calling you sexist however, and granted I do have an agenda. Between you and me, I'd say you're the one with an agenda due to your living life per your doctrine but I do have an equal rights agenda yeah.

I am a seeker, I'm open to all views. But I don't agree with your views.
For the record, my issue is not that you're the end all be all of the household. I personally feel that my husband will be as well, and that I will respect his decisions not without question but unquestionably, I will support him in the end. Because I trust him with my life, because I trust his morality, and because I trust him to make the right decision. The difference between you and I is this however, and is what I do have qualms with. For me there will be me, and my husband. For you there is you, your wife, and the bible. In any case that may come up, you can point to this 'other' authority that states that she should submit. It's degrading. Before she even opens her mouth her point is mute. She must live her life knowing she's a lesser authority not by her choice but because a book says so. She may be fine with that, but, does she have a choice? In order to go to heaven and have the family in god that she wants she must submit to all the beliefs of the bible, especially the fine print.

I do know what marriage represents biblically, skewed as my examples have been. Marriage can be just as beautiful without the bible, however. I don't disagree with most of it for the record, just this paramount point written in the fine print which degrades all the rest of the writings with regards to women's value. You can put her on a pedestal all you want, make her feel like the queen of the world, you can say you are both of one flesh, but that doesn't change her status in the hierarchy that her religion proposes as truth. The dichotomy is that she's part of you yet lesser than you.

As for my dad and your advice with regards to speaking to him, I thank you. In his case I am torn between two paths. One path being having an all out debate about the bible and why he believes but not because I care about what he believes as being wrong. He can think all he wants about women and the world, muslims, gays, what have you. I've held my tongue my whole life in my love for him, I can do it the rest of my life too. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm losing him to physical and mental disease and he refuses to go to the doctor for biblical reasoning. The ending is going to be tragic, and it might not just stop with his death. Might go farther, as he is crossing into the land of schizophrenia and his religious gihad gets worse by the year.
Either way I lose him, but I do love him enough to fight for his existence even if it makes me the 'enemy'. Otherwise with the other path, I'm just an enabler and I won't feel right at his funeral. My instinct is telling me to cut him out completely and let what will be, be. But my heart screams something else.

[fr0d0]

I'm sad for your experience miss L. And for the situation with your dad. People get stuck in some nasty ways and I'm sure if it were revealed to them they'd be so sad about the hurt they're causing to the ones they care about the most.

My wife is the strongest in her faith, of the two of us. She doesn't think about stuff like I do, but her bible knowledge is far greater than mine. There is no way in hell she thinks herself inferior to me in any way because of what the bible says. I find it odd that there are those branches of Christianity where women are subservient. In fact I think it's quite rare. I only know of the brethren. And the brethren women I know/have known choose that and are happy with it. They certainly don't see disadvantage in it. There's a brethren Church around the corner to me. The women wear head scarves and the families keep to themselves, have their own schools and businesses. We find them a bit weird to be honest. Unhealthy in their separatism.

You're a good person miss L. I hope you find peace with your dad.

It surprised me you saying that you would be a subservient wife. I guess we know/follow what we know. Personally, I see nothing wrong with that feminine desire. I want it for my daughter. What I certainly don't want for her is to be treated as anything less than equal. She's a really strong willed person too so I don't see anyone getting away with much with her. I know I don't! lol.

[Mystical]

Thanks Fr0do

I'm not really talking about subservience, in my eyes. There is no outside authority that says I should submit to him or that it's my place, it's just the natural role I feel I should fill. It's just how I see marriage should be. I do feel like the father should be the head of the household but that doesn't mean we wouldn't be equals. My fiancee was surprised too, and a little apprehensive about it. I can't understand why this would be subservience. The thing is, he doesn't expect this right I give whole heartedly, and that's exactly why he deserves it. I'm not saying I'm going to be subservient in any way (I'm too head strong), I just feel that as the wife my job is to support my husband always. His decisions are mine too, but if we differ in our opinions after long discussions, I'm willing to follow him wherever he chooses to go, so long as he knows my opinion on the matter. Because I trust him, because I know that he is capable and worthy of making big decisions--with my help, always. I'm never going to let him make them alone, of course. But my marriage is far more important than a disagreement. In life there isn't always one path leading to the destination, there's many. Just because we don't go my way doesn't mean it's not the right way, you know? I grew up living disagreements, and I don't want that for my children. Doesn't mean I'm going to give up my equality, he wouldn't have that and neither would I. It just means that I feel my role in marriage is to support him in whatever endeavors he wishes to seek just as he does for me, and in the end I'm not going to draw a line in the sand if I don't think it's 100% the right way to go--because I could be wrong. I'm not talking about day to day decisions, just in the extreme situations in life that tend to come up. Again, not subservience in my eyes to trust and love my husband with all my heart.

As for being stuck in nasty ways--my dad isn't a branch of anything. He just read the bible, and interpreted it as he did. Extremism was taught to him when I was a baby, yes. By many different denominations. But he's not the only christian I've known to interpret it that way, either. Men from all sorts of denominations (even Baptists) that I've known (even pastors) expect this right in their marriages and some like my father demand it with a finger on the bible. The level of demand differs from person to person, and I'm not saying that all their marriages are unhappy or that their wives are treated unfairly. It's just sad to me that it's assumed the wife is to submit to her husband because of what a book says on the matter. In the end, now my dad lives a very lonely life. I'm the only person on this earth that talks to him.

[fr0d0]

That's the way I tend to think about marriage. In the end it's a meaningless but of paper. You give to each other out of love, because you want to, you just need to. That's the most honest way to approach it. Even with the dogma fresh in my face when I got married, I thought this. The book simply reiterates what I know to be right. I'm gonna refrain from dissing people now, you do the best you can I guess.

At my wedding the minister, a good friend of my wife said: the man should always get the last words... and those words are "yes dear".

[Autumnlicious]

Has your wife gone through menopause yet?

I've been watching one of my older family friends deal with his wife going through such.

She snaps on him, creates looney arguments at times and has a high probability of expecting him to simultaneously focus on her and on his side business. Which is confusing because she normally is one of the most reasonable and understanding of people I've known.

Poor guy is completely befuddled as to what to do next.

From his perspective, he can't do anything right.

I told him to relax and accept that she'll be a minor lunatic on and off for another several months.

That didn't cheer him up however...

[Greatest I am]

I love how the greatest hardship women have to endure in their "taking over the world" plan, doesn't even warrant a response from the Great I Am.

Apparently only John V has the balls to tackle that one. Well played John. Oh and a response is coming tonight, just been busy with the kids.

What is better for women?

To accept the challenges or to embraced oppression and subjugation?


In response to your other post. I do not like much of the so called wisdom of the bible but this bit I live by.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Change it to read --- daughter in the father in whom you delight.

Regards
DL