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Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
#11
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
meatball Wrote:What? You're OK with it but people who commit these acts should be "tracked down"? How does that many any sense? Do you think it should be illegal?
I am 'okay?' with it only because it helps track down the monsters who commit the crime... I do not think it should even exist as more than a mental dream (if that). So I think child pornography should be illegal (insomuch as pornography with any creature that cannot fully be held accountable for their actions)... but that better circulating the material makes it easier to locate the perpetrators of the crime.

Is there anything wrong with 'viewing' the act though? After all... i can 'view' it with my vivid imagination quite easily... I do not think the material should be restricted any more than any other 'type' of porn.

Quote:It was a direct response to the OP's statement that there should be no laws dictating what we can and cannot view. If he truly feels this way, he should have no qualms about Wal-mart selling toddler porn in vending machines.
Ah, i see what you were trying to say Smile
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#12
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
(November 10, 2009 at 11:02 am)Meatball Wrote:
(November 9, 2009 at 7:39 pm)Tails Turrosaki Wrote: The law shouldn't have say in what we watch and shouldn't watch. They do not have permission to control our brains...

So you're OK with distribution, possession, and viewing of child pornography? Snuff films?

Sure. I don't see the problem (unless you're talking about children in pornographies, then I see the problem).
I mean, I'm just a person, so obviously my opinion is different from everybody else's. But think of it like this:

If children/teens viewing pornography is illegal, neither people who don't care if their child watches it, nor people who care if their child watches it, will let their children view it. It's a win:lose situation.

If children/teens viewing pornography is legal, people who don't care if their child watches it will let them watch it. People who care if their child watches it won't let them watch it. It's a win:win situation.

In the end, there will be parents who say "NO" to it. But really... Have we done an experiment to see is pornography affects us?
Have we? Really?
No, I doubt it. We haven't gather 100 children, allow 50 of them to watch pornography and 50 to not watch it, wait for them to grow up with these same allowances and then gather the results. So we just don't know. Overall, pornography should be allowed to everyone.
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#13
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
Although I disagree with the win:lose / win:win thing... I think it should be added that people can 'imagine' pornography at any time (don't you guys masturbate?)... so you aren't keeping anything from people by making it 'harder' to obtain it.
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#14
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
Lol. xD I masturbate... I'll stop that subject there...
I don't know a guy who doesn't. Tongue
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#15
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
Child pornography is children in porn, not children viewing porn.

Why is is acceptable to have laws against watching child pornography but not regular pornography?

to Saerules:
I really can't follow the logic that distributing child pornography should be illegal because it's wrong, but at the same time it's OK to distribute it to catch people for distributing it.

See: Murder is bad, and I am against murder. However, I am all for people murdering other people if it helps us catch those murderers.

It's illegal so that people don't distribute it, and your logic is some new kind of circular that hurts my head.
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#16
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
(November 10, 2009 at 4:10 pm)Meatball Wrote: Child pornography is children in porn, not children viewing porn.

Why is is acceptable to have laws against watching child pornography but not regular pornography?

... Well, I guess it would tone down the amount of rape from child molesters, but I don't think I'd want my child having sex in a pornography. ._. Viewing it, perhaps... Having sex as a teenager, perhaps... As long as it's safe... But as a child, 12 or under, having sex? Nononononononononono...
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#17
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
meatball Wrote:to Saerules:
I really can't follow the logic that distributing child pornography should be illegal because it's wrong, but at the same time it's OK to distribute it to catch people for distributing it.

See: Murder is bad, and I am against murder. However, I am all for people murdering other people if it helps us catch those murderers.

It's illegal so that people don't distribute it, and your logic is some new kind of circular that hurts my head.
Oh, i totally get that Smile I think it is illegal because it is wrong in the first place...

My logic is like this: Murder is wrong... i am against it. Is watching a murder wrong?
Child pornography is wrong... i am against it. Is watching child pornography wrong?

I'm drawing a parallel there... because i think it is the action of doing something that is 'right' or 'wrong'... not witnessing the final product. Smile
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#18
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
Watching is an act too. Even if you are unable to influence the outcome, to continue to watch something you condemn is you condoning what you're watching.

You would need to desensitize yourself to it to be able to watch it and not know your moral position.

So watching is never divorced from acting.
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#19
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
I... Can't understand what you're saying. >_> Simpler terms, please??
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#20
RE: Children/Teenagers Viewing Pornography
(November 10, 2009 at 6:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Watching is an act too. Even if you are unable to influence the outcome, to continue to watch something you condemn is you condoning what you're watching.

You would need to desensitize yourself to it to be able to watch it and not know your moral position.

So watching is never divorced from acting.

So if I watch a murderer kill someone... I am just as terrible as that murderer?

So i suppose watching movies is a terrible crime now? Wink

I can easily watch something I condemn... but I can't separate it from my emotions Smile For example, watching a rape video makes me curl my first up like an enraged little imp. I think it is entirely different to witness something than it is to participate in something. Witnessing something, and remaining silent on the other hand: that is a horrible crime in itself, for you are knowingly allowing the perpetrator to run free.

But just watching something isn't bad in itself Smile
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