My reasoning in rejecting eternal torture/hell...

[Mystical]

Godschild, I have a question. Can you lay out just whAt you believe, please, or link me to that thread? All I ever see from you is, "dont put words into my mouth!" or one liner bible propagandas. Oh! or definition descriptions. Oh! or fleeting thoughts of vindication at the existance of Hell. Oh! or just not even answering questions, like, ever.

Do you have anywhere or anything that is original? Words from yOur mouth examining something rather than answering as if you were the bible itself?

Just wondering.

[LastPoet]

People can only commit a certain number of sins before they die, however those sins are eternal unless they have been forgiven, thus eternal punishment (not torture) for eternal sins.

Basicly, sins are eternal (forever, unending, etc), except when they're not?

[ciko83]

This was from another thread:

It's good to put in yourself in position of another, and ask what you think is the right thing to do with regards to yourself, and apply it to others.
If you were evil, would it be the right thing to have compassion yourself and hope you are forgiven and reformed or eternally tortured?
I believe it's the former.
Therefore I believe it's right to wish others compassion and they not be eternally tortured but forgiven and reformed.
Therefore I believe if there is a Creator that shares morality of humanity, it would be wrong of him to eternally torture humans for being evil.

but i can prove to you that eternal punishment is logical in some occasions

it is like this, peole who deserve to go to paradise, go to paradise
people who deserve to go to hell go to hell,

and there is 2 categories of people in hell, those who shall stay in hell for a certain period of time and then go out and go in to Paradise

and some will stay forever, but how can you justify eternal punishment if person sinned for 60 years for example, what is 60 years compared to eternity?

God said in quran that he is just, and he will never punish unjustly. so when he say punish eternaly, let say that he punish this person 60 years in hell, and he cause him to die in hell and stay forever in hell, so actually he is punished forever beacuse he will never go to paradise and he stay dead in hell, without feeling pain.

but there is also other options, like if you sinned for 60 years, and you distracted another person from beleiving in God, you made this person become atheist. so you will be punished for you and for him also beacuse you missguided him in life, so if you lived 60 years and this person also 60 years, then you probabaly stay 120 in punishments in hell. then can you imagine how long period of time you will stay in hell if you missguide many people.

[Silver]

I do not believe in the concept of Hell. Therefore, it is very difficult for me to contemplate why one would consider "logical" scenarios in regards to one not being sent there.

[Sagasa]

I recall that the Catholic position on hell is that it's self-inflicted for the most part. Sin is defined by the RCC as a willful turning away from the grace of God. Now, God loves us and wants us to repent and come back to Him but it's our own pride that keeps us away and feeling empty and thus, suffering. We could apparently repent and be forgiven at any time as long as it was sincere.

If I were to use an example, it would be Dante's depiction of Lucifer who is encased in ice in the lowest circle of hell and is eternally frantically beating his wings to try and escape. The irony is that it's the winds caused by his flapping wings that continually renews the ice that holds him and prevents him from leaving. If he had simply let go of his pride and repented, he would have been forgiven long ago.

Although, maybe the above was just a product of the second Vatican reform. It's not that I believe any of it, but I like to at least be aware of what the other side preaches.

[Godscreated]

People can only commit a certain number of sins before they die, however those sins are eternal unless they have been forgiven, thus eternal punishment (not torture) for eternal sins.

Basicly, sins are eternal (forever, unending, etc), except when they're not?

Please tell me you are not that unreasoning.

[Godscreated]

Godschild, I have a question. Can you lay out just whAt you believe, please, or link me to that thread? All I ever see from you is, "dont put words into my mouth!" or one liner bible propagandas. Oh! or definition descriptions. Oh! or fleeting thoughts of vindication at the existance of Hell. Oh! or just not even answering questions, like, ever.

Do you have anywhere or anything that is original? Words from yOur mouth examining something rather than answering as if you were the bible itself?

Just wondering.

At first I was not going to answer such an inconsiderate bunch of dribble, at a second glance I decided you need to see the truth.
First, why do you pick out small segments of what I post and make it into something it's not, to me that's lying.
Second, I have nothing original but not for the reasons you want others to believe, the scriptures are thousands of years old and have said the same thing down through the ages.
Third,I answer all questions that I can (have time for) or believe is worth the time.
Forth, you should grow up and let go of your hatred for Christians who do not compromise their beliefs, we've done nothing to you, except maybe care about your soul.
Fifth, when I answer I give what I honestly believe, just because you do not agree with it doesn't make it wrong.
Now here's what I believe about hell, anyone who rejects Jesus as their Lord and savior will be in hell by their own decision, it's as simple as that, it's written all over the NT. Hell is a dark place and a place of self inflicted torment. The fire the scriptures speak of is to give man an idea of what hell will be like, why, because man could not understand what it would be like to go through eternity without the love of God and the hatred one builds in one's self in hell. In this life God's love is with you everyday whether you want it or not. You experience it even though you do not realize it and not to realize it IMO is sad. Life in hell will not be burning and torture, a person will be all alone in hell, no one to comfort you from your hatred for God, to comfort you from your loneliness. You will find no relief from the sounds of those suffering their self inflicted torment, yes, you will hear the torment of others forever, yet you will see no one, loneliness and hatred will be your only companion. This suffering is your's and your's alone it belongs to you because you will make it, it doesn't have to be this way though. I could go on but you should get an idea of what I believe.

[Justtristo]

True, however if you like me has gotten to know the character of Yahweh/Jesus in the Bible. You come to the conclusion that Yahweh/Jesus (I am convinced they are one and the same) is enough of a sadistic prick to inflict eternal punishment (including babies and possibly foetuses) on people. However the sort of god a lot of Christians believe in would do inflict eternal punishment, temporary punishment or simply annihilation yes, eternal no. Because such an entity knows that one can only commit a finite number of sins in their lifetime.

People can only commit a certain number of sins before they die, however those sins are eternal unless they have been forgiven, thus eternal punishment (not torture) for eternal sins.

This does not make any sense, especially given the descriptions of what hell is like in the New Testament. If what happens in hell according to the New Testament is not torture, I don't know what is.

[Darkstar]

People can only commit a certain number of sins before they die, however those sins are eternal unless they have been forgiven, thus eternal punishment (not torture) for eternal sins.

Someone commits a minor crime, and that crime is on their criminal record for life. Therefore, whatever that crime may be, it is certainly deserving of life in prison, no?

[Godscreated]

People can only commit a certain number of sins before they die, however those sins are eternal unless they have been forgiven, thus eternal punishment (not torture) for eternal sins.

This does not make any sense, especially given the descriptions of what hell is like in the New Testament. If what happens in hell according to the New Testament is not torture, I don't know what is.

Did you read my response to missluckie26, that is how I see hell, it answers some questions I use to have about hell. Know this, hell could be just as described in scripture. The statements about hell in scripture do not seem to add up to a firey hell. I spent years working this out and what I believe does not include torture, nor fire, however it is in my opinion worse than the hell described in scripture, when one knows the love of God then one could understand why it would be hell without it. Scripture does say that all will come into the presence of God the Father and at that time God's love will be known to those who have condemned themselves, so they will also know what it will means to be without His love.
If you are questioning the sin, all things wrong are first against God and without His forgiveness of those sin they continue on for eternity. A wrong against an eternal God, is an eternal sin, without forgiveness, thus an eternal punishment. This is what scripture tells us, everything I stated in this paragraph can be found in scripture, please remember I studied this for a long time, so if you have a disagreement with it I will need proof.

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People can only commit a certain number of sins before they die, however those sins are eternal unless they have been forgiven, thus eternal punishment (not torture) for eternal sins.

Someone commits a minor crime, and that crime is on their criminal record for life. Therefore, whatever that crime may be, it is certainly deserving of life in prison, no?

God has told us what sin is and the punishment it deserves, if you want to argue this you need to get outside and shout to heaven your complaint, no matter what I say or you say to me, we can not change what God deems just.