For the logic impaired...

[festive1]

I had two babies at home, without drugs. And you won't get a shot in the scrotum? Who is the pussy in this scenario??

I am.

At least you can admit that

[Joel]

Yeah no, you're right. No shot in the balls. Just make the girl go to the doctor and have them open up her lady parts which hurts, use metal claw looking thingies to pull down on her uterus to straighten it hopefully not ripping it, insert something that may or may not have long term side effects or cause an internal allergic reaction, and send her home in tears and pain for hours. Problem solved! Sounds way better.

You know what? I'm beginning to figure out why people have the babies instead, and tell the govt to go fuck itself now. Men don't wanna do what's unpleasant, and women end up with the responsibility. Then the government doesn't make the insurance companies help the women like it should for whatever backwoods reasoning each particular state has against certain contraceptives: and bam! Welfare babies! Because abortion's illegal, that's why.

Fuck the government.

Looking at it that way, I'd take the shot. I'd rather be subject to pain than my partner.

[Mystical]

Lol I wouldn't look at life that way for long, it'll make your head hurt For the record I'd never make my partner get that shot if my life depended on it! Nope.
Just require medical douchebags to administer some nice happy gas for the women when they get that procedure done and we're all gold
You know come to think of it: they do a Lot of shit they shouldn't do, sans happy gas. I literally had my jugular in my neck cut open and a tube inserted at the risk of bleeding out, as a scheduled procedure: and come to find out I actually COuld've had anesthesia but they were being dicks.

Fuck Doctors!

[Tonus]

At least you can admit that

Let's be honest: you point something sharp at a man's testicles, and he'll admit to just about anything.

[The Grand Nudger]

Just about....but there are some things you don't admit to -precisely because- something sharp is pointed at your testicles.

[festive1]

Fuck Doctors!

Wait 'til you hear about what is done to women in labor. I assure you, I'm not some crunchy, granola mom. Google terms: cascade of intervention and episiotomy.

[Statler Waldorf]

I don't believe all abortion should be legal/illegal, Statler.
I don't believe it should be a form of contraception. It should be used when babies are defective/terminally diseased or in rape cases. There may be more, but I don't have them on my mind right now.

Ok, but I still don’t see how you justify abortion in those cases by merely appealing to saving the life of the mother. The life of the mother argument seems to be something only tossed out by those in the pro-choice community as a red herring. The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of the over 50 million abortions conducted in the U.S. were for contraceptive purposes. That’s the relevant issue at hand.

[Joel]

I don't believe all abortion should be legal/illegal, Statler.
I don't believe it should be a form of contraception. It should be used when babies are defective/terminally diseased or in rape cases. There may be more, but I don't have them on my mind right now.

Ok, but I still don’t see how you justify abortion in those cases by merely appealing to saving the life of the mother. The life of the mother argument seems to be something only tossed out by those in the pro-choice community as a red herring. The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of the over 50 million abortions conducted in the U.S. were for contraceptive purposes. That’s the relevant issue at hand.

Yeah, and I don't support those cases.
I'm not saying that it should be done because of the mother's life: I'm saying that because it affects her life; it's her choice to make.

Again, I say, I don't support contraceptive abortions... I don't really support abortion at all - I don't like it. But it's not my choice to make and I can see that it's not fair - or morally right - to force a woman to have a child that she did not want (and had no control over - rape), endangers her life, or will birth a child with an extremely poor quality of life.

[jstrodel]

I don't know about Germany, but here in the US it's sort of assumed that if you want to adopt the adoptive family will pay hospital expenses and give you at least $10k cash. Apparently babies are worth more to society than the free orphans sitting in the legal system.

According to the data from the National Surveys of Family Growth from 1973, 1982, 1988, and 1995, that there were 9.9 million women who had ever considered adoption, 16% had taken steps towards adoption, and 31% of these had actually adopted a child. (National Center for Health Statistics, 1999)

Why couldn't they just setup the system a different way? Abortion is murder.

[Mod note: Dead body ahead.]

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[Joel]

Abortion is murder.

I believe we've already been over this.

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That doesn't look like it was aborted in the proper timeframe.