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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 8:44 am
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2013 at 8:45 am by John V.)
Matthew 12
3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
IIRC David was on the run from enemies who wanted to kill him at this point. Just another example.
ETA: Just saw that Tonus already noted this passage. Never mind...
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 11:18 am
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(April 3, 2013 at 7:26 am)John V Wrote: (April 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Thank you theists for highlighting your problems with the OP.
It seems like all of you are saying in one form or another that the Bible doesn't say we shouldn't lie. Incorrect, at least for me. I'm saying that the Bible is against lying in general, but allows us to apply judgment and to lie if the situation requires it to save a life.
Quote:What should we do about these verses then?
Take them for what they are: general exhortations not to lie. Mature readers don't need the disclaimer "except in certain extreme life-and-death situations" to be added after each instance.
Ok, I see what you're saying. What shall we do about the DCT then? I'm assuming something is good because God commands it, right? Does your above post mean that you don't think his commands are in absolutes?
(April 3, 2013 at 8:31 am)ChadWooters Wrote: FTR, you're argument clings to the words without considering the expressed intent of the author. Jesus said everything in the Law and the Prophets comes from two commandments: to the love the Lord and to love your neighbor (Mat 22:37-40) . If you read the Scriptures apart from these, you quickly fall into legalism and scrupulosity.
So what's your view on DCT? Are God's moral laws absolutes?
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 11:37 am
(April 3, 2013 at 11:18 am)FallentoReason Wrote: (April 3, 2013 at 7:26 am)John V Wrote: Incorrect, at least for me. I'm saying that the Bible is against lying in general, but allows us to apply judgment and to lie if the situation requires it to save a life.
Take them for what they are: general exhortations not to lie. Mature readers don't need the disclaimer "except in certain extreme life-and-death situations" to be added after each instance.
Ok, I see what you're saying. What shall we do about the DCT then? I'm assuming something is good because God commands it, right? Does your above post mean that you don't think his commands are in absolutes?
(April 3, 2013 at 8:31 am)ChadWooters Wrote: FTR, you're argument clings to the words without considering the expressed intent of the author. Jesus said everything in the Law and the Prophets comes from two commandments: to the love the Lord and to love your neighbor (Mat 22:37-40) . If you read the Scriptures apart from these, you quickly fall into legalism and scrupulosity.
So what's your view on DCT? Are God's moral laws absolutes?
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 11:49 am
I'm trying my hardest to understand where they're coming from. Let's hope they don't resort to that.
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 12:11 pm
It hasn't been shown that DCT requires absolutes.
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm
FTR: You're trying to force retro fit literalism onto a general rule regarding truth.
To use your reasoning, a lie that leads to good or bad is always bad.
Yours is a bastardisation of meaning rather than an understanding.
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 12:29 pm
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(April 3, 2013 at 12:11 pm)John V Wrote: It hasn't been shown that DCT requires absolutes.
So you're opting for objective morality that is subject to change? Cake comes to mind for some reason..
(April 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: FTR: You're trying to force retro fit literalism onto a general rule regarding truth.
To use your reasoning, a lie that leads to good or bad is always bad.
Yours is a bastardisation of meaning rather than an understanding.
How about instead of me apparently stabbing in the dark here, why don't you explain exactly how this all plays out? How does DCT fit in with a moral code that seems to be grounded in what you think is right in e.g. the OP situation?
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm
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Your OP states an untruth. There is no moving on.
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 12:53 pm
(April 3, 2013 at 12:29 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: So you're opting for objective morality that is subject to change? When did I say anything about objective morality?
Quote:Cake comes to mind for some reason..
Straw man comes to my mind.
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RE: Formally Disproving Divine Command Theory
April 3, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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(April 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Your OP states an untruth. There is no moving on.
P = ¡P
Hnnnnggg...
What is this untruth? If you fail to explain yourself, I'll have to end our chit chat here. You're testing my patience.
John V Wrote:When did I say anything about objective morality?
Bible.
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