A challenge about women and marriage in Islam

[paulpablo]

It is not common, but can you propose a system that can deal with the situation?

Masturbation.

Add to that good parenting, less taboos about masturbation and not pulling girls out of education to endure possible beatings from their adult husbands and a possible life threatening pregnancy.

[Muslim Scholar]

Masturbation.

Add to that good parenting, less taboos about masturbation and not pulling girls out of education to endure possible beatings from their adult husbands and a possible life threatening pregnancy.

And how are you going to force young girls to do that????????

Why do you think California removed age restriction on marriage?
because it is natural
You eat when you are hungry
You have sex when you are horny
Some girls (and boys) will need sex at young ages

[Muslim Scholar]

I already told you, the french, english and american laws are better than those of an Islamic country, as I've shown you in the videos I posted there are girls who are dying trying to give birth while they are too young, young girls being beaten, forced into marriages and so on, this doesn't happen in the english system because marriage to a 9 year old is illegal.

in USA a girl with any age can (practically) marry, Just travel to California and get a license from there


Under 18:
If either the bride or groom is under 18, at least one of the minor’s parents, or legal guardian, must appear with the couple.

It is almost as the Islamic rules, parent & judge approval for minors.

[Dragonetti]

I already told you, the french, english and american laws are better than those of an Islamic country, as I've shown you in the videos I posted there are girls who are dying trying to give birth while they are too young, young girls being beaten, forced into marriages and so on, this doesn't happen in the english system because marriage to a 9 year old is illegal.

in USA a girl with any age can (practically) marry, Just travel to California and get a license from there


Under 18:
If either the bride or groom is under 18, at least one of the minor’s parents, or legal guardian, must appear with the couple.

It is almost as the Islamic rules, parent & judge approval for minors.

This is a fallacy. Because, arranged marriages are illegal in the United States. It is consider a violation of human rights. In Islamic Culture, women are view as private property and barter.

[paulpablo]

It's also illegal to beat your wife in california law also.

Also you're acting like all the evidence i presented of ACTUAL 9 year old girls who live under these laws doesn't exist.

Also I still can't find where it says a 9 year old can get married in california. I know you can be 14 or 16 or something like that with parental consent, the website you directed people to in the link just says if you are under 18 you need consent from the parents.

Even with this being the case, and it has to be ruled by a court I doubt any court in america would allow a 9 year old to marry and even if they would I don't agree with it just because it happens in america.

This is the one case I managed to find of someone very young marrying someone very old. No surprise to see it involved child abuse as i suspected and religion.

In 2007 church leader Warren Jeffs was convicted of being an accomplice to statutory rape of a minor due to arranging a marriage between a 14-year-old girl and a 19-year-old man.[26] In March 2008 the state of Texas believed that children at the Yearning For Zion Ranch were being married to adults and were being abused.

As I've said to you before the child marriages and systems in islamic cultures do allow for the following things to happen LEGALLY.

Children being pulled out of education, getting pregnant, being beaten, having sex with men who are their fathers age. Show me a case where this can happen in california legally and you might have a point.

Until then all you can really say is that you agree with girls being pulled out of education, becoming pregnant, beaten, and having sex with men their fathers age. In that case all I can say is we have different standards.

[Kayenneh]

Add to that good parenting, less taboos about masturbation and not pulling girls out of education to endure possible beatings from their adult husbands and a possible life threatening pregnancy.

And how are you going to force young girls to do that????????

But you'd like to force them to have sex instead. Without protection (and no, marriage does not equal condoms). It's a fundamental flaw to assume that a girl of 9 has hit puberty is ready to play an adult. Her body will not be fully developed until about 18 years of age, thus even if she has had her menarche, her body isn't big enough to host a growing fetus. As for the mental part, the human brain isn't fully grown until about the age of 25, so there is no way that she should take on the burdens and responsibilities of a grown woman. So if she doesn't feel like masturbating when she gets so bloody horny at the age of 9, then she is most definitely not ready for sex.

[Muslim Scholar]

But you'd like to force them to have sex instead.

there is no enforcement

It's a fundamental flaw to assume that a girl of 9 has hit puberty is ready to play an adult.

It is her to decide!

Under Islam she will get married
in UK she will have sex with another child
in US she has the choice of marriage or have sex with another child

[paulpablo]

But you'd like to force them to have sex instead.

there is no enforcement

It's a fundamental flaw to assume that a girl of 9 has hit puberty is ready to play an adult.

It is her to decide!

Under Islam she will get married
in UK she will have sex with another child
in US she has the choice of marriage or have sex with another child

The point is that there is a high high high HIGH likely hood that in america or the uk she will never have sex at age nine, in an islamic country there is a pretty high chance she will be beaten and married at age 9 and pulled out of education.

[Dragonetti]

Those are poor excuses!

[Kayenneh]

It is her to decide!

Oh really? Then muslims must be the shittiest parents around, because all the 9-year-old who 'get to decide for themselves' are the worst brats ever. And somehow I doubt that in a society build on a masculine hierarchy that the father will listen to the opinion of a girl-child.

in UK she will have sex with another child
in US she has the choice of marriage or have sex with another child

Really? So when someone wants sex, it's readily available? And instead of having sex with someone your own age, you should have sex with someone decades older? Being interested in sex is not the same as wanting to have sex.

Durex Sex Survey (2005): Average age of loss of virginity.