Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?

[Gabriel Syme]

Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?

Probably because they are all of:

- vain
- self-obsessed
- feeble minded
- self-referential
- self-important
- liars
- intolerant
- sexist
- attention seekers
- self appointed victims

Lets face it, women of my generation (I am 35) and younger have never known anything other than 100% equal opportunities - in education, in work and in the home.

The reason feminism continues is not because there is a need for it (there isnt) but down to the fact that the favourite thing of many (all?) women is to sit talking about themselves, all day long.

I have nothing but the highest respect for educated, independent, confident, successful women. (This description covers my wife, my mother, both of my sisters and indeed most women I know).

But I cant stand "feminists".

[Darkstar]

Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?

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Probably because they are all of:

- vain
- self-obsessed
- feeble minded
- self-referential
- self-important
- liars
- intolerant
- sexist
- attention seekers
- self appointed victims

Lets face it, women of my generation (I am 35) and younger have never known anything other than 100% equal opportunities - in education, in work and in the home.

The reason feminism continues is not because there is a need for it (there isnt) but down to the fact that the favourite thing of many (all?) women is to sit talking about themselves, all day long.

I have nothing but the highest respect for educated, independent, confident, successful women. (This description covers my wife, my mother, both of my sisters and indeed most women I know).

But I cant stand "feminists".

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You are confusing them with radical feminists. I once thought that all discrimination had ended, and that self-proclaimed feminists must either be taking a stance that is too obvious to mention and already achieved (equality) or are radical feminists. I now realize that I was mistaken, and there are still problems (though not as severe and not all of the same ones as before). Even a basic sociology class will tell you that much. The problem is that radical feminists get a lot of attention...(including Atheism+)

[KichigaiNeko]

As usual...the empty drum make the most noise

[Kayenneh]

By the way, am I the only one who can't stop giggling at the term "dykey ways?"

Not only did 'dykey ways' make me giggle, it made me guffaw!

[Tonus]

PS- here is the picture of a woman who has shaved her head and sports tattoos, and is therefore a hideous, masculine, dykey, angry man-hating feminist pig:

[festive1]

Only thing I'd add, Tonus, is you should have found a pic of her with her baby bump! Can a woman be more feminine?

[Gabriel Syme]

You are confusing them with radical feminists.

Hiya Darkstar,

I think feminists confuse themselves, bless them!

I once thought that all discrimination had ended.....I now realize that I was mistaken, and there are still problems (though not as severe and not all of the same ones as before).

There is no discrimination against women. The only reason feminism perpetuates is because:

- women love nothing more than talking about themselves.

- women think they deserve priviledges purely because they are women.

When feminism was about - the right to vote, the right to the same opportunities, the right to equal pay - then it was very worthwhile. Who could possibly disagree with these aims, for example?

But now, Feminism will never be over - because there is no real point to it anymore, other than to facilitate women talking about themselves.

This is what I was getting at with my "self-referential" point above. They do not engage with others - with men, politicians or society - they just sit around talking about themselves. Change can only come through engagement with others. (otherwise, you are just talking to yourself, about yourself).

There is no real effort to change or influence anything, only the desire to talk about themselves and seek attention.

There are two types of modern feminists. The ones who think feminism is about creating little "women-only" zones - in the media and in society etc - for women to sit around talking about themselves. And the pointless attention seekers.

FEMEN are a good example of pointless attention seekers:

- claim to be principled young women, in reality they are paid by 3rd parties to get naked to make headlines. (which usually fails, as mainstream media mostly ignores them, due to how infantile and pointless they are). Their principles' are down to someone elses coin. How very shallow.

- claim to be against sex industry, while several of them work as prostitutes themselves. (as per recent expose) and many of their videos appear on porn-sites.

- claim men cant tell what women what to do, while they attempt to dictate to women themselves. They recently assaulted a woman because she worked as a stripper. They are guilty of the exact same patriarchal values which they are paid to pretend they despise. What a joke. Even worse when you consider that they are no more than strippers themselves, in that they are paid to get naked.

- they generally adopt completely incoherent, contradictory positions. For example - they say they are against the sex industry, while they work in it themselves. And they attack aspects of religion and aspects of secular society. They are against both sides of the coin. Incoherent nonsense.

- claim to be defenders and spokespeople for women, when in reality many women resent them and say they do not agree with them.

- they do all this without any concrete stated aims, just vague references to "patriarchy".

They show contemporary feminism up as childish, crude, pointless and attention seeking.

I mean, I am - is anyone - supposed to take this seriously?

What change will they achieve, when the very mention of their name elicits a roll of the eyes?

[Tonus]

(which usually fails, as mainstream media mostly ignores them, due to how infantile and pointless they are).

I would have to disagree with this; if anything, mainstream media seems drawn to things that are infantile and pointless. The FCC probably has more to do with the lack of nekkid tits on TV than whether or not feminism has become irrelevant.

[Kayenneh]

There is no discrimination against women.

Really..?

- women love nothing more than talking about themselves.

- women think they deserve priviledges purely because they are women.

Now kids, look at this! A perfect example of generalization!

[Violet]

I think the topic was promising and can still be for a good discussion. It just seems like along the way someone got angry and went aped.

Nah, it's a topic that we've done plenty here Somehow, someone always winds up angry.

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PS- here is the picture of a woman who has shaved her head and sports tattoos, and is therefore a hideous, masculine, dykey, angry man-hating feminist pig:

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... I feel for her back.