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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 11:49 am
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(July 23, 2013 at 9:42 am)oukoida Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 1:06 am)Godschild Wrote:
^this
You are basically finding sentences in the Bible that can ease your pain.
But then, what is the difference between doing this and, say, listening to a song that is particularly meaningful to you? I mean, anyone can listen to "Yesterday" and find it soothing for pain, but that does not mean that McCartney and Lennon are gods.
Oh yeah I was forgetting: you've been taught to believe what the bible says, thus you fear god and his punishment after your death. That must be why the bible has such a meaning to you, your own life after death depends from your adherence to it!
Wouldn't it be so much simpler just to think by yourself and decide what to do independently as a human deserves?
I listen to Christian music to sooth and inspire, I read scripture to learn more about my God and the plan He has for my life, this is important to me. Because you see life differently does not mean I wrong in the way I live my life and frankly I do not concern myself with what others think about how I live my life. I'm saved by belief and grace not a ritual life living by the law. It's not me who has to worry about life after death, it is those who reject Christ that need to worry.
(July 23, 2013 at 11:47 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 11:32 am)Godschild Wrote: I do not know anyone who does not have access to a Bible.
 
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 12:05 pm
About 3 Billion people have no reasonable access to a Bible, GC. Are they doomed?
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm
(July 23, 2013 at 11:49 am)Godschild Wrote: It's not me who has to worry about life after death, it is those who reject Christ that need to worry.
Really? Pascals Wager? Oh My God!
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm
(July 23, 2013 at 11:49 am)Godschild Wrote: I do not concern myself with what others think about how I live my life. I'm saved by belief and grace not a ritual life living by the law.
Why are you in an atheist forum. WHY.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 2:02 pm
He's doing his duty as a good little Christian, even if he's utterly failing in his divine calling.
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Yeah the question was rhetorical. Why should he think others concern themselves about how they live their lives? Open your mind before you try to open someone else's... but yeah sorry I forgot you don't care about what I say because you BELIEVE
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 2:32 pm
"You motherfuckers are going to hell". GG GC.
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm
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(July 23, 2013 at 12:05 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: About 3 Billion people have no reasonable access to a Bible, GC. Are they doomed?
And those 3 billion people more than likely do not pray to God or even care if their is God. I seriously doubt that number to be any where correct, do you have proof?
(July 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm)oukoida Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 11:49 am)Godschild Wrote: I do not concern myself with what others think about how I live my life. I'm saved by belief and grace not a ritual life living by the law.
Why are you in an atheist forum. WHY.
Why is that important to my salvation, if you believe I came here to prove God, you are mistaken, that's Gods job.
(July 23, 2013 at 2:08 pm)oukoida Wrote: Yeah the question was rhetorical. Why should he think others concern themselves about how they live their lives? Open your mind before you try to open someone else's... but yeah sorry I forgot you don't care about what I say because you BELIEVE
I care and because I do it bothers you.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 23, 2013 at 9:45 pm
(July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 12:05 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: About 3 Billion people have no reasonable access to a Bible, GC. Are they doomed?
And those 3 billion people more than likely do not pray to God or even care if their is God. I seriously doubt that number to be any where correct, do you have proof?
I'm not even sure your prejudiced remark even deserves my data to back it up because you wipe your ass with all the evidence we give you.
Wycliffe's stats
This site breaks down everything, but doesn't give totals.
Translation Progess
This one is an article that tells us that 90% of the world's languages have at least a partial translation, but in many places, especially Asia, it is not distributed at all.
Wiki answers turned up results immediately. With 7 Billion people worldwide, 3 Billion of them do not have Reasonable Access to a Bible. You hastily decided they are unrighteous. You, my friend, are a bigot.
(July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm)oukoida Wrote: Why are you in an atheist forum. WHY.
Why is that important to my salvation, if you believe I came here to prove God, you are mistaken, that's Gods job.
Oh, phew. If that's the case, we don't need you anymore, GC. It was nice knowing you.
(July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 2:08 pm)oukoida Wrote: Yeah the question was rhetorical. Why should he think others concern themselves about how they live their lives? Open your mind before you try to open someone else's... but yeah sorry I forgot you don't care about what I say because you BELIEVE
I care and because I do it bothers you.
The way you care bothers me.
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RE: Religion and rituality
July 25, 2013 at 12:06 am
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(July 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm)oukoida Wrote: When I started to detach from my religion (Roman Catholicism) I also started to feel disgusted by the rites and prayers which, at that time, I thought were just leftovers of a conception of God that hasn't anything to share with the true message of Christianity.
Yet as my present position developed I could not help but think about how rituality is actually the "centre of mass" (no pun intended) of any religion.
Now, the question comes to why religions must have a determined ritual set of prayers. The options are many and varied:
1) Just like the times of the day and the year cyclically repeat themselves so is human activity; therefore, also worshipping
god(s) falls under such cyclical behaviour.
2) Rituality was and still is used to have a "cleaner shot" at brainwashing their members and to deeply root Religion itself to the most basic things in the member's life.
3) Rituality is needed for a strong community to form stable bases and relationships.
I think rituals are basically the same concept as traditions. Conservative churches always follow rituals so they can uphold their past traditions.
(July 23, 2013 at 11:49 am)Godschild Wrote: It's not me who has to worry about life after death, it is those who reject Christ that need to worry.
Typical Christian doctrinaire dogma. Behave yourself or you're going to burn in hell. 
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