Being Angry: 101

[sarcasticgeographer]

What right does a painting have to say to the artist this is the wrong way to paint me, what right does the clay on the potter's wheel have to say to the potter you made me in the wrong shape. All the rights belong to the creator not the created. Your problem is you want to tell God that He made you wrong, that will hold no water later on. You the clay pot got mad at the creator and put a hole in yourself and there went the water.

Oh, so a clay pot is a thinking being? It can actually conceptualize who made it and why it was made? Does a clay pot have a book stating that it will suffer eternally if it denies who made it? If your god did not want rebellion inside my mind, I should have been a pot. Yet, your concept of god gave me a questioning, active conscious. That is what separates humans from nonliving things and why we can question.

If your god only wanted me to believe, your god should have made me like a robot and not made me rational.

To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, if such a god did exist, I would ask him/her/it why it did gave me a conscious and absolutely no evidence to support a god's existence.

[Silver]

What right does a painting have to say to the artist this is the wrong way to paint me, what right does the clay on the potter's wheel have to say to the potter you made me in the wrong shape.

The fact that we are sentient beings capable of thinking for ourselves, rather than inanimate objects. If god had wanted obedient creations, he should have created a world of inanimate bobbleheads.

[Tonus]

Hell is the one place where God is not. Put aside everything you think you know about Hell for a second, and call the place "Hideout". Supposing God exists, would you wish to live in Hideout?

When you put it that way, hell sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

[Esquilax]

What right does a painting have to say to the artist this is the wrong way to paint me, what right does the clay on the potter's wheel have to say to the potter you made me in the wrong shape. All the rights belong to the creator not the created. Your problem is you want to tell God that He made you wrong, that will hold no water later on. You the clay pot got mad at the creator and put a hole in yourself and there went the water.

Ah, wrong-o!

Even within the bounds of your theology, god didn't create me. My parents did. God is responsible for precisely two human beings; Adam and Eve. The rest, by definitional fiat of your appeals to free will, are not under the control of god. They can't be. If they were, then my parents would have had no free will in the act of conceiving me, and you've reduced your god to a pervert making people have sex for his amusement.

God might have created my attendant component parts, but he's no more responsible for the act of creation than the guy who sells the paints, or the clay. The actual analogy would be like the art supplies clerk telling the artist what to make out of the stuff he legitimately bought.

Besides, I'm not clay, I'm a living, breathing person. Why is it that you wouldn't accept my parents burning me for disobedience, but you'll happily bend over backwards for a supposedly perfect moral source to do the same?

[ITChick]

What right does a painting have to say to the artist this is the wrong way to paint me, what right does the clay on the potter's wheel have to say to the potter you made me in the wrong shape. All the rights belong to the creator not the created. Your problem is you want to tell God that He made you wrong, that will hold no water later on. You the clay pot got mad at the creator and put a hole in yourself and there went the water.

Hehe. In the world that I live (reality) god does not exist and paintings can't speak. But I do have a very good imagination so I am happy to step into your world of speaking paintings and gods (imaginary) for this post.

I fully support the painting and potting movement that is asking for the right to speak out against bad painters and potters. Why do they have to suffer simply for the amusement of their creators. They are the ones who has to live with their flaws. This is unjust!

[fr0d0]

@the OP

I agree with all of those. Now let's all hug.

{{{hugs}}}

[Godscreated]

What right does a painting have to say to the artist this is the wrong way to paint me, what right does the clay on the potter's wheel have to say to the potter you made me in the wrong shape. All the rights belong to the creator not the created. Your problem is you want to tell God that He made you wrong, that will hold no water later on. You the clay pot got mad at the creator and put a hole in yourself and there went the water.

Hehe. In the world that I live (reality) god does not exist and paintings can't speak. But I do have a very good imagination so I am happy to step into your world of speaking paintings and gods (imaginary) for this post.

I fully support the painting and potting movement that is asking for the right to speak out against bad painters and potters. Why do they have to suffer simply for the amusement of their creators. They are the ones who has to live with their flaws. This is unjust!

What is a bad painter, what is a bad potter, don't want your opinion give me truthful answers?
The painting and pot only exist because the artist make them to and it is for his pleasure not theirs. Their idea of what they should be would be only opinion, seeing they can not create their own selves.

[Esquilax]

What is a bad painter, what is a bad potter, don't want your opinion give me truthful answers?

What would you know about truth?

The painting and pot only exist because the artist make them to and it is for his pleasure not theirs. Their idea of what they should be would be only opinion, seeing they can not create their own selves.

Do you extend that same logic to the topic of children and parents? "Children only exist because their parents make them..." Would you approve of parents mistreating their children based on this reasoning? If no, why does your god get a pass?

And how do you reconcile this logic with the idea of free will? Creation is a purposeful act, and if god created me purposefully through the act of procreation then my parents never had a choice, they had to conceive me. If this is true, then their free will is violated.

If it isn't and my parents had a choice and could potentially never have conceived me, then how could you possibly attribute my "creation" to a purposeful act from god? If that's the case, doesn't the credit rightly lie with my parents?

[Doubting Thomas]

Your problem is you want to tell God that He made you wrong, that will hold no water later on. You the clay pot got mad at the creator and put a hole in yourself and there went the water.

No, it's that I never agreed to be part of any cosmic system of either worshiping a deity for eternity or suffering eternal torment, yet according to Christians that's the system that we're all bound by, just because that's the way their god wants it. Unless God can show the contract I signed stating that I agree to such terms, he has no right to send me to eternal torture.

BTW, a painting or clay pot are inanimate objects. A better analogy would be like if I managed to create some new form of sentient life in a lab, and then be allowed to destroy it at will just because I created it. That is not a right or moral position. Nor would it be to force that new sentient life to worship me as its creator or else throw it into the furnace.

[Rahul]

A better analogy would be like if I managed to create some new form of sentient life in a lab, and then be allowed to destroy it at will just because I created it. That is not a right or moral position. Nor would it be to force that new sentient life to worship me as its creator or else throw it into the furnace.