Being Angry: 101

[Fidel_Castronaut]

You really need to read the Bible, you are continually screwing up, God loves everyone regardless of what they do, He loves you so much that when one chooses hell He gives them what they choose. He does this even though He would rather have you living in heaven. He forgoes His desire so that you can have your desire. Like a loving parent forgoes things they want, to give their children what they want, both instances are loving.

Okay, let me see if I can't clear this up for you: in the bounds of your theology, can a person choose to go to neither heaven nor hell? Could I, say, elect to just die? Be reincarnated? Haunt the earth?

Or is it a binary choice: heaven or hell, nothing else?

Because, and this is the point, so pay real close attention: not choosing to worship god does not mean that one has chosen hell. Nobody wants to go to hell. Not choosing to worship god merely means that one has chosen not to worship god: the carrot of heaven and the stick of hell are attendant concepts added on without our choice, and therefore there's nothing loving or respectful of free will in condemning someone to one or the other, when the choice we're given is forced upon us between options we might not want to get at all.

Or, to put it another way, you don't worship god just to get into heaven, do you? You believe it's the right thing to do, and you do it out of a sense of obligation or loyalty or what have you, not just because of the reward? If so, then the path you've chosen has as little to do with its eventual outcome as the atheist's.

There's no choice here, just a pair of sluices we've been forced down regardless of our actual desires. To phrase it as a conscious choice is just a dishonest tactic to make you feel better, and as a happy corollary, so very self righteous.

Very well put.

Still, it's unlikely you're going to get a coherent response.

[Doubting Thomas]

No, GC will just try to change the subject, claim that we're stupid, or ignore it completely like he always does.

[LastPoet]

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7. I am angry that wives who are abused are told to submit to abusive husbands in church because that's what the Bible says.

http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.c...pline.html

When administering physical discipline, take caution not to deliver the lashes anywhere but the buttocks. The first attempt at this punishment should only be delivered by hand so you can get an idea of how many lashings are needed. The best position will be for you to sit at the end of a bed or on a chair (with no arms) and have her lay across your lap. She can also bend over a bed with arms tucked under her chest and your left hand on the small of her back. If a strap (belt) is to be implemented watch that each stoke falls directly on the buttocks and not higher. EDITOR'S NOTE: When using the hand, or a small, short implement, such as a switch or small "hairbrush"-type paddle, over-the-knee positioning can work quite well.

A fearful wife may begin crying or pleading and find it difficult to remain still. Reassure her. of your intent and love (yes this will hurt, that is why it is a punishment) then instruct her to be still. Remind her that she is not in control of this discipline. You should continue the lashing through her tears and pleas for you to stop, until you are certain the message was received. This will insure her remorse and therefore stop the undesirable behavior.

A sound lashing is five to ten strokes with your hand, or three to five strokes with a strap; some wives need more. To avoid brusing do not strike the same area in repetition. Gauge your decision to proceed based on your wife's readiness to repent.

No, that is not a Poe site. How I wish it were.

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Are you sure that is not a bdsm site?

[Esquilax]

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http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.c...pline.html


No, that is not a Poe site. How I wish it were.

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Are you sure that is not a bdsm site?

Basically, only it's got to strip out any kind of sex and inject in a whole bunch of misogyny... as per fundamentalist christianity. But don't for a moment think that the source of it all is any different from bdsm.

[LastPoet]

Hmmmm there is no mention to a safeword in the article...

[Esquilax]

Hmmmm there is no mention to a safeword in the article...

Yes, because a safeword is there to protect the submissive, and since the only ones being submissive in that little group are the women, they are utterly uninterested in protecting them.

Christianity: it's bdsm done wrong!

[sarcasticgeographer]

[Begin sarcasm]
"god": I gave you free will.
Me: But, what if I don't want to believe in you?
"god": You will suffer eternally in hell.
Me: But, what about free will? Can't I be given the voluntary choice to not believe in you?
"god": You must believe in me or suffer eternally!
Me: If this is so important to you, then why did you give me free will?
"god": You must believe in me or else!
Me: What about Adam and Eve, did they have free will?
"god": Yes, Eve ate the forbidden fruit and I told her not to!
Me: Is free will really voluntary? Or are you a narcissistic sadist?
"god": I am not a sadist!
Me: If you are not a sadist, then why did you create hell? Is it not for punishing those who refuse to believe you?
"god": I am done with you.
Me: I am done with you.

[/End sarcasm]

[Doubting Thomas]

[Begin sarcasm]
"god": I gave you free will.
Me: But, what if I don't want to believe in you?
"god": You will suffer eternally in hell.
Me: But, what about free will? Can't I be given the voluntary choice to not believe in you?
"god": You must believe in me or suffer eternally!
Me: If this is so important to you, then why did you give me free will?
"god": You must believe in me or else!
Me: What about Adam and Eve, did they have free will?
"god": Yes, Eve ate the forbidden fruit and I told her not to!
Me: Is free will really voluntary? Or are you a narcissistic sadist?
"god": I am not a sadist!
Me: If you are not a sadist, then why did you create hell? Is it not for punishing those who refuse to believe you?
"god": I am done with you.
Me: I am done with you.

[/End sarcasm]

That's my whole problem with the basis of Christianity. Like I said, there is no opt-in or opt-out to God's system. God set up the system of "worship me or be punished forever" and forcing us all into it without our consent. I never signed any contract where I agreed to worship God or burn in hell as a consequence for violating the contract, but yet for some reason we're all contractually bound to that system. It's not my fault that some lady long before I was even born ate some fruit, nor is it my fault that a deity blames me for what she did.

Of course Christians will argue the might makes right position (God created us so he can do whatever he wants with us) but that still doesn't make it right.

[Godscreated]

That's my whole problem with the basis of Christianity. Like I said, there is no opt-in or opt-out to God's system. God set up the system of "worship me or be punished forever" and forcing us all into it without our consent. I never signed any contract where I agreed to worship God or burn in hell as a consequence for violating the contract, but yet for some reason we're all contractually bound to that system. It's not my fault that some lady long before I was even born ate some fruit, nor is it my fault that a deity blames me for what she did.

Of course Christians will argue the might makes right position (God created us so he can do whatever he wants with us) but that still doesn't make it right.

What right does a painting have to say to the artist this is the wrong way to paint me, what right does the clay on the potter's wheel have to say to the potter you made me in the wrong shape. All the rights belong to the creator not the created. Your problem is you want to tell God that He made you wrong, that will hold no water later on. You the clay pot got mad at the creator and put a hole in yourself and there went the water.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

The anger that an atheist or antitheist feels towards religion is a righteous one, and one that drives us to take action to try to change our world, so it is also a useful anger. There are countless reasons to be angry towards religion, before even taking into account how religions treat women, other races, homosexuals, etc. I try to balance my anger with an understanding that I do live in a world where religion is not only present, but pervasive. As such, I must learn to coexist with theists, no matter how angry I am.