Being Angry: 101

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Yes Christian parents teach their children to believe scriptures, but they do not teach they have to believe to stay out of hell, they have to believe to find Christ.

And what do they teach will happen if they don't find Christ?

We teach Christ and say that hell is a real place for those who reject Him. We actually would rather people to come to know Christ through love not fear. So you see we show that hell is there and for the unbelievers. We do not hide that fact we don't dwell on it as a teaching.

[Foxaèr]

Like a loving parent forgoes things they want, to give their children what they want, both instances are loving.

A parent provides a just punishment, not one of suffering that torments the child. Hell is not a just punishment, as any real parent would not insist the child sit in the corner for eternity while flames lick at his body simply for disobeying the parent.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Until someone says, word for word, "I want to go to hell". They haven't chosen to go there, you can tell yourself they have to help you sleep better at night (but I quite doubt that you lose sleep over something as trivial as billions upon billions burning in hell), but these people were just being themselves, and happened to not believe in your bullshit. It's that simple. Your god chooses to put them in hell. That's on him, and that's on those who agree with his doings.

[zebo-the-fat]

Quote:3. I am angry that churches say homosexuality is a sin, and then deny that the teaching does any damage in the face of many homosexuals who claim the opposite, through tears and suicide.


Just because they make the claim doesn't mean it's true, if they want to practice something unnatural they should be ready for people's opinion of them.

What's unnatural about it? Homosexual behaviour has been observed many times in nature. Don't put your own preferences onto the natural world.

[ITChick]

7. I am angry that wives who are abused are told to submit to abusive husbands in church because that's what the Bible says.

http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.c...pline.html

When administering physical discipline, take caution not to deliver the lashes anywhere but the buttocks. The first attempt at this punishment should only be delivered by hand so you can get an idea of how many lashings are needed. The best position will be for you to sit at the end of a bed or on a chair (with no arms) and have her lay across your lap. She can also bend over a bed with arms tucked under her chest and your left hand on the small of her back. If a strap (belt) is to be implemented watch that each stoke falls directly on the buttocks and not higher. EDITOR'S NOTE: When using the hand, or a small, short implement, such as a switch or small "hairbrush"-type paddle, over-the-knee positioning can work quite well.

A fearful wife may begin crying or pleading and find it difficult to remain still. Reassure her. of your intent and love (yes this will hurt, that is why it is a punishment) then instruct her to be still. Remind her that she is not in control of this discipline. You should continue the lashing through her tears and pleas for you to stop, until you are certain the message was received. This will insure her remorse and therefore stop the undesirable behavior.

A sound lashing is five to ten strokes with your hand, or three to five strokes with a strap; some wives need more. To avoid brusing do not strike the same area in repetition. Gauge your decision to proceed based on your wife's readiness to repent.

No, that is not a Poe site. How I wish it were.

I refuse to believe that is not a poe site. Refuse *sticks fingers into ears* la la la can't hear you

[Esquilax]

You really need to read the Bible, you are continually screwing up, God loves everyone regardless of what they do, He loves you so much that when one chooses hell He gives them what they choose. He does this even though He would rather have you living in heaven. He forgoes His desire so that you can have your desire. Like a loving parent forgoes things they want, to give their children what they want, both instances are loving.

Okay, let me see if I can't clear this up for you: in the bounds of your theology, can a person choose to go to neither heaven nor hell? Could I, say, elect to just die? Be reincarnated? Haunt the earth?

Or is it a binary choice: heaven or hell, nothing else?

Because, and this is the point, so pay real close attention: not choosing to worship god does not mean that one has chosen hell. Nobody wants to go to hell. Not choosing to worship god merely means that one has chosen not to worship god: the carrot of heaven and the stick of hell are attendant concepts added on without our choice, and therefore there's nothing loving or respectful of free will in condemning someone to one or the other, when the choice we're given is forced upon us between options we might not want to get at all.

Or, to put it another way, you don't worship god just to get into heaven, do you? You believe it's the right thing to do, and you do it out of a sense of obligation or loyalty or what have you, not just because of the reward? If so, then the path you've chosen has as little to do with its eventual outcome as the atheist's.

There's no choice here, just a pair of sluices we've been forced down regardless of our actual desires. To phrase it as a conscious choice is just a dishonest tactic to make you feel better, and as a happy corollary, so very self righteous.

[Faith No More]

You really need to read the Bible, you are continually screwing up, God loves everyone regardless of what they do, He loves you so much that when one chooses hell He gives them what they choose. He does this even though He would rather have you living in heaven. He forgoes His desire so that you can have your desire. Like a loving parent forgoes things they want, to give their children what they want, both instances are loving.

George Orwell is rolling in his grave right now.

[Undeceived]

Because, and this is the point, so pay real close attention: not choosing to worship god does not mean that one has chosen hell. Nobody wants to go to hell. Not choosing to worship god merely means that one has chosen not to worship god: the carrot of heaven and the stick of hell are attendant concepts added on without our choice, and therefore there's nothing loving or respectful of free will in condemning someone to one or the other, when the choice we're given is forced upon us between options we might not want to get at all.

Hell is the one place where God is not. Put aside everything you think you know about Hell for a second, and call the place "Hideout". Supposing God exists, would you wish to live in Hideout?

[Esquilax]

Hell is the one place where God is not. Put aside everything you think you know about Hell for a second, and call the place "Hideout". Supposing God exists, would you wish to live in Hideout?

No, because I don't have any antipathy toward god. I don't hate him, I just don't believe he exists. I like life on earth just fine, and I'm prepared for the idea of death being the terminus of me. I don't need to persist.

But that's beside the point: whether hell is a punishment or a separation or what, it's not a choice that respects free will in any sense, because we're still restricted to two choices regardless of actual desires. That's all I'm saying: claiming that we "choose" to go to hell skips over the part where we never actually chose that.

[Gilgamesh]

Hell is the one place where God is not. Put aside everything you think you know about Hell for a second, and call the place "Hideout". Supposing God exists, would you wish to live in Hideout?

If your god exists, I'd wager you'll hear a resounding 'yes' from us all.