Dead for 45 minutes; an interesting near-death experience

[Tonus]

Not only that but if you were following Christianity you will see Christ, if you were following Buddha you will see Buddha, if you were following Shiva you will see Shiva if you were into spirituality you may perceive God as a bright light, if you never believe in religion or spirituality but you were ok then you may perceive God in different manner.

It's almost as if the mind is simply creating an experience from things it already experienced and/or believed. Imagine that.

[bennyboy]

Not only that but if you were following Christianity you will see Christ, if you were following Buddha you will see Buddha, if you were following Shiva you will see Shiva if you were into spirituality you may perceive God as a bright light, if you never believe in religion or spirituality but you were ok then you may perceive God in different manner.

It's almost as if the mind is simply creating an experience from things it already experienced and/or believed. Imagine that.

The mind does the same thing when you see a tree. But this doesn't undermine the symbolic validity of the tree.

As an explanation of an existent being, the religious mythologies are probably a big fail. However, as symbolism for things that people care about-- compassion, selflessness, hope in hard times, etc.-- they can still have value. A dream or vision of your cultural symbol of choice isn't only a superstitious mental weakness. It's a moment when your core beliefs take on an emotional reality, rather than just being oft-repeated lip service. The problem comes when people take those moments of symbolic truth, and ascribe them to reality: "There REALLY is a heaven, because I experienced it, so I'm going to give away all my money and live in a cave" is not a good response to a vision of Jesus carrying you up to heaven, IMO. Or worse: "Only Christians can be saved and go to heaven. So if necessary, we must threaten non-Christians with death in the hope of saving their souls, and might as well kill them if they obviously won't ever come to accept Jesus."

So in short-- experiences carry their own value, and this value is subjective. But reality doesn't care about our subjective valuations, and may not play along with the beliefs that get attached to those moments.

[Little Rik]

Not only that but if you were following Christianity you will see Christ, if you were following Buddha you will see Buddha, if you were following Shiva you will see Shiva if you were into spirituality you may perceive God as a bright light, if you never believe in religion or spirituality but you were ok then you may perceive God in different manner.

It's almost as if the mind is simply creating an experience from things it already experienced and/or believed. Imagine that.

That is one problem.
If your attachments in this life are so deep then you carry them on in your next life and these vision will follow you until you get rid of them.
God being a spiritual essence does not have a physical image so if you are stuck with a religious image then you will carry that image in the afterlife and on in the next reincarnation.
This of course does not involve only religious belief.
It involve everything that is not spiritual from material objects to physical achievements.

[bennyboy]

That is one problem.
If your attachments in this life are so deep then you carry them on in your next life and these vision will follow you until you get rid of them.
God being a spiritual essence does not have a physical image so if you are stuck with a religious image then you will carry that image in the afterlife and on in the next reincarnation.
This of course does not involve only religious belief.
It involve everything that is not spiritual from material objects to physical achievements.

You are saying a lot of things as facts which I don't think you can know to be fact. You might as well say, "Magic Space Monkey, being an effervescent psychic being, does not have a physical image. . ."

[Little Rik]

You are saying a lot of things as facts which I don't think you can know to be fact. You might as well say, "Magic Space Monkey, being an effervescent psychic being, does not have a physical image. . ."

What is the secret of life?
It is to come to the realization that you are God.
This stage is called HUMAN EMANCIPATION.
You are going back or better say your consciousness is going back there where it belong so when your consciousness reach this stage you realize that your body is just a shell and you are the real I.
This I does not have a physical image as you are 100% spiritual.
To come to this realization it takes a lot of effort which you have yet to make but good luck anyway.
You will start moving in this direction once you will have realized that the material-physical world will never give you peace of mind.

[downbeatplumb]

45 minutes clinically dead? ... Am I missing something here? This is the wiki on clinical death : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death It is hard to believe that a doctor would continue to try and resuscitate her for so long.

As far as I know about 5 minutes of oxygen depravation to the brain, you get serious brain damage. 45 minutes sounds unlikely, I mean, most of her brain would be gone by then. Until I see someone publishes a case study on her, I'm not buying it.

I found this.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/science...-death.htm

In 1991, Atlanta, Ga. resident Pam Reynolds had a near-death experience (NDE). Reynolds underwent surgery for a brain aneurysm, and the procedure required doctors to drain all the blood from her brain. Reynolds was kept literally brain-dead by the surgical team for a full 45 minutes.

Which seems to say that they were prepared for the lack of brain function. I presume by cooling or whatever they could slow down decay. (I am no brain surgeon).

It lends weight to being a true event by proposing a reasonable scientific explanation.

The Kentucky researchers believe that NDEs are actually REM intrusions triggered in the brain by traumatic events like cardiac arrest. If this is true, then this means the experiences of some people following near-death are confusion from suddenly and unexpectedly entering a dream-like state.
This theory helps explain what has always been a tantalizing aspect of the mystery of NDEs: how people can experience sights and sounds after confirmed brain death. The area where REM intrusion is triggered is found in the brain stem -- the region that controls the most basic functions of the body -- and it can operate virtually independent from the higher brain. So even after the higher regions of the brain are dead, the brain stem can conceivably continue to function, and REM intrusion could still occur

[bennyboy]

You are saying a lot of things as facts which I don't think you can know to be fact. You might as well say, "Magic Space Monkey, being an effervescent psychic being, does not have a physical image. . ."

What is the secret of life?
It is to come to the realization that you are God.
This stage is called HUMAN EMANCIPATION.
You are going back or better say your consciousness is going back there where it belong so when your consciousness reach this stage you realize that your body is just a shell and you are the real I.
This I does not have a physical image as you are 100% spiritual.
To come to this realization it takes a lot of effort which you have yet to make but good luck anyway.
You will start moving in this direction once you will have realized that the material-physical world will never give you peace of mind.

1) You obviously don't know who I am. You should ask around.
2) You are still stating as fact things which are not known to be facts. You wanting to feel like a special little snowflake is not a good enough reason to claim special knowledge-- you actually have to know something.

[Little Rik]

1) You obviously don't know who I am. You should ask around.

I did asked Castro via telepathy and he told me that you don't know yet who you are.
That's boil down to what i just said yesterday.

2) You are still stating as fact things which are not known to be facts. You wanting to feel like a special little snowflake is not a good enough reason to claim special knowledge-- you actually have to know something.

How do you know that these things are not facts?
Can your physical science exit his borders and go behind her capacity and competence and enter a totally different world?

[bennyboy]

How do you know that these things are not facts?

Can your physical science exit his borders and go behind her capacity and competence and enter a totally different world?

Well, a fact is either a statement of direct experience, or an idea about some reality outside yourself which is true OUTSIDE your experience of it. If you dream about angels talking to you, then it is a fact that you had a dream about angels; that's a simple statement of experience. However, if you start telling people that angels are "really" visiting you in your sleep, you're in trouble-- not only can you not prove it to other people, you can't verify it for yourself.

So maybe angels really ARE bringing you special messages from God, because you are so important that He's decided to personally shepherd you through your important religious role in life. But maybe you're just a person whose desire to feel important leads you to have dreams in which God reaches out to you.

My question for you is this: you are claiming not only experience, but knowledge. What have you done to verify that your "knowledge" represents fact, rather than just a vivid imagination?

[Little Rik]

How do you know that these things are not facts?

Can your physical science exit his borders and go behind her capacity and competence and enter a totally different world?

Well, a fact is either a statement of direct experience, or an idea about some reality outside yourself which is true OUTSIDE your experience of it. If you dream about angels talking to you, then it is a fact that you had a dream about angels; that's a simple statement of experience. However, if you start telling people that angels are "really" visiting you in your sleep, you're in trouble-- not only can you not prove it to other people, you can't verify it for yourself.

So maybe angels really ARE bringing you special messages from God, because you are so important that He's decided to personally shepherd you through your important religious role in life. But maybe you're just a person whose desire to feel important leads you to have dreams in which God reaches out to you.

My question for you is this: you are claiming not only experience, but knowledge. What have you done to verify that your "knowledge" represents fact, rather than just a vivid imagination?

Can your physical science explain why these guys do not feel any pain while inserting knives or other things inside their flesh and can science explain why as soon as they take out these knives the hole close immediately?
You see in what kind of intellectual mess are you!!!
http://jamie-monk.blogspot.com.au/2011/0...urite.html