Pep talk to Socialists (Don't give up!)

[cratehorus]

Alright, but your ideals have been struck down already. Communism is dead.

communism never existed therefore it couldn't have died, socialism is alive and well look at europe cuba nkorea hell if you listen too most hillbillies the president of america is a hardcore socialist

The true progress of mankind can only be archived with the individual progress of nations.

prove it

Not with the creation of a single earth state that owns everything.

communism is stateless

However, neither can it be archived with a single earth state where all capital is concentrated at the hands of a select few individuals, without no restrictions from a certain government.

communism is stateless and there would be no capital too accumulate

There must be a balance, where a nationalist government will take it upon itself to take care of his own people, and promote social equality and justice, while protecting personal property and inheritence rights, while standing against the exploitation of ones own resources by international corporations.

international corporations are more just............. than genocidal maniacs who murder innnocent women and children who are migrating naturally as human beings have done for millions of years.... in fact you (whatever the hell you are) don't orginate from your country ....... you migrated....you dumbass

This is the stance of nationalism in regards of socioeconomic issues.

nationalism has no opinion or poistion other than "i hate furriners....belch"

I personally do not use the term "socialism" since it has now a negative association with the left wing, instead I use another term in my native Turkish language, though I have to invent one for english to form a clear distinction between internationalism and nationalism in that regard.

there is no difference between fascism and national socialism

.....so call your self fascist from now on okay


......for fucks sake your stupid

[Kayenneh]

I can see that your scholarship is so pathetic that everything you say will have to be examined for accuracy, henceforth.

The quote in question was not made by Hitler.

Gregor Strasser, Nazi ideologue

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”

BTW, Hitler had him killed in 1934.

Next time don't accept everything you read on the fucking internet as factual. You'll look like less of a schmuck.

Not to mention that is was a really blatant way of poisoning the well..

[Faith No More]

Being for social justice and fair labor while defending national interests is the essence of nationalism. Hitler represented this very well in my opinion.

I realize that you're salivating at the thought of being able to follow in Hitler's footsteps, but are you really so dumb and blind as to think that Hitler was for social justice?

[CapnAwesome]

See Godwin's Law

[kılıç_mehmet]

communism never existed therefore it couldn't have died, socialism is alive and well look at europe cuba nkorea hell if you listen too most hillbillies the president of america is a hardcore socialist

Don't give me that now. All you communists do is to deny things.
Communism existed in the world, died, while causing the maximum amount of confusion in the meantime.

prove it

Since internationalism doesn't work, meaning that the notion of uniting mankind under a single flag, the only way that is left is for individual nations to develop independently.
Besides, your idea was built on the notion of uniting mankind under a worker's dictatorship. However we all know that the worker class is dwindling with the developments in technology, people use less and less labor to archive higher efficiency.

communism is stateless

If so, who is there to archive this "equal distribution" that you speak of?

communism is stateless and there would be no capital too accumulate

Communism is not stateless. There has to be a state to own the property and distribute it to people, supposedly, in an equal way.

international corporations are more just............. than genocidal maniacs who murder innnocent women and children who are migrating naturally as human beings have done for millions of years.... in fact you (whatever the hell you are) don't orginate from your country ....... you migrated....you dumbass

And? I've migrated and I've carved myself a niche that I hold with power.
Not with love. Besides, you've totally ignored my post.

nationalism has no opinion or poistion other than "i hate furriners....belch"

And communism does? I hate people who own cows. Send them to the gulag!

there is no difference between fascism and national socialism

Well, in aspects regarding socioeconomic issues, no. But it's just that fascism is a specific kind of national socialism that is founded on the Italian nation.
You're too ignorant to know this though, as communists often label anyone who thinks different than them as "fascists" as though as anyone ever claimed this word for their own.
I don't.

.....so call your self fascist from now on okay

I call myself a Turkist. I'm not Italian. But you're a communist, and I will call you what you are. You don't object to it, now do you?

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Being for social justice and fair labor while defending national interests is the essence of nationalism. Hitler represented this very well in my opinion.

I realize that you're salivating at the thought of being able to follow in Hitler's footsteps, but are you really so dumb and blind as to think that Hitler was for social justice?

I'm not, for I am too proud to accept a foreigner as my leader in action or in thought. I simply state that his ideology was there to provide social justice to his own nation, the Germans. Whatever led to his doom were his faulty decisions and lack of patience. Not his ideology.

MY ideology is there to provide to my own nation, the Turks. Since we are two different nations, we have different ways and ideas on how to archive social justice. However the goal is the same, to provide social justice to one's people. A nationalist loves his/her nation, so that should be a priority, no?

[Faith No More]

I'm not, for I am too proud to accept a foreigner as my leader in action or in thought. I simply state that his ideology was there to provide social justice to his own nation, the Germans. Whatever led to his doom were his faulty decisions and lack of patience. Not his ideology.

I think you're confusing Hitler's ideology with the one he sold the German public.

MY ideology is there to provide to my own nation, the Turks. Since we are two different nations, we have different ways and ideas on how to archive social justice. However the goal is the same, to provide social justice to one's people. A nationalist loves his/her nation, so that should be a priority, no?

When that "love" leads to the extermination of everyone different that you dislike, no.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I think you're confusing Hitler's ideology with the one he sold the German public.

Well, its the ideology of the NSDAP. I don't think that I really confuse anything. He might have had personal convictions, shortcomings and etc. But an ideology is something beyond personal belief and conviction.
His deeds might have been influenced by his personal convictions, but he wasn't a man of ideas. He simply found ways to incorporate them into politics, that's all.

When that "love" leads to the extermination of everyone different that you dislike, no.

Well, if your hatred of someone else clouds your judgement, you should not be in a position to really lead masses.
Obviously, all nations have enemies, internal and external. But there are other ways to deal with them. Hitler had the Jews pacified in Ghettos. He could have kept it that way, and then later sent them off somewhere else, like it was custom for Europeans to deal with Jews before.
But he foolishly used manpower and funds to build concentration camps and etc. when he was at war with someone else. Really why? Simply, his vision was clouded from his past experiences with Jews.
He was a charismatic and idealistic leader. He could have led his people to greater heights, but he was too hot headed for that position in my opinion. A leader must have zeal and absolute conviction in his ideals to instill them into others, yes, but he must also be calculated and cool in the same time.

[cratehorus]

Don't give me that now. All you communists do is to deny things.
Communism existed in the world, died, while causing the maximum amount of confusion in the meantime.

communism is a 1 world governmentif that has never existed give me the dates ........... im waiting

Since internationalism doesn't work, meaning that the notion of uniting mankind under a single flag, the only way that is left is for individual nations to develop independently.
Besides, your idea was built on the notion of uniting mankind under a worker's dictatorship. However we all know that the worker class is dwindling with the developments in technology, people use less and less labor to archive higher efficiency.

communism is stateless

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so your logic is that workers have developed a scoitey where work isno longer required
If so, who is there to archive this "equal distribution" that you speak of?

Communism is not stateless. There has to be a state to own the property and distribute it to people, supposedly, in an equal way.

look up the definotion of communissm u fuckin moron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

And? I've migrated and I've carved myself a niche that I hold with power.
Not with love. Besides, you've totally ignored my post.

exactly yoou are a muderous psychoptath who has pissed around in a circle and cliamed dirt as your own

[quote]Well, in aspects regarding socioeconomic issues, no. But it's just that fascism is a specific kind of national socialism that is founded on the Italian nation.
You're too ignorant to know this though, as communists often label anyone who thinks different than them as "fascists" as though as anyone ever claimed this word for their own.
I don't.

nazism is fascism u might have weell have called nazism happy go lockyism it's the same thing

I call myself a Turkist. I'm not Italian. But you're a communist, and I will call you what you are. You don't object to it, now do you?

no im am communist i only ask that you identfiy as fascist so that im free too murder you and your freinds without guilt

[Cato]

no im am communist i only ask that you identfiy as fascist so that im free too murder you and your freinds without guilt

Aren't you forgetting the part where you two agree to divide Poland first? Only then are you free to murder each other.

[Ferraro]

You can see several speeches that were delivered by Hitler and Mussolini and detect them a clear bias socialist. The rhetoric of these speeches and the name of national socialism was not simply a matter of markerting, the Nazi party was born of a communist party and Mussolini out for awhile socialist. There is a relationship here, during the Great Depression of the 30 people felt threatened their survival and turned to radical parties that promised to end the misery and great social distortions, hence fascism be a Keynesian of the boots.

Are undeniable similarities between the totalitarian of the left the USSR and totalitarianism of the right of Italy and Germany. Such similarities are the single-party regime, the cult of the leader, the police state, servitude of all the forces of society and the state etc..

Communism has never existed since the beginning of civilization simply because it presupposes the absence of state for their existence. What existed was something that was characterized as socialist transition, however, many authors disagree and argue that the system practiced by the socialist countries was state capitalism because the structure of labor and consumption remained the same.