Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?

[Psykhronic]

I didn't say it did, by itself it is neutral and has nothing to do with God or theology. If you believe in God then science deals with the physical/detectable portion of Gods creation. If you're an atheist it's the study of...stuff which happens to exist for no reason. Either way it works, it's equally fine.

The study of stuff, huh? It's the study of the natural world and universe which exists, as we currently understand, due to scientific phenomena. Physics is the reason a lot of shit is here - that's not a no reason. But go ahead and keep telling Atheists what we think.

[Esquilax]

I didn't say it did, by itself it is neutral and has nothing to do with God or theology. If you believe in God then science deals with the physical/detectable portion of Gods creation. If you're an atheist it's the study of...stuff which happens to exist for no reason. Either way it works, it's equally fine.

Alright, listen: I'm tired of this bullshit from you. What created your god? Something had to, right? It doesn't matter if you say nothing did, or if you appeal to some infinite regress, or you just plain say you don't know: at some point, all of our belief systems come back to something that happened because it happened. Don't sit there and strawman us again and again, as if poking holes in our position makes yours look better.

No science doesn't do this, science is about making a falsifiable hypothesis and then putting the hypothesis to the test using physically observable data. And that's it, it has no bearing on God at all as no-one is presenting God as a scientific hypothesis.

Yes, and the silence of scientists when it comes to the testable, real world evidence of god is deafening.

[The Reality Salesman01]

If you're an atheist it's the study of...stuff which happens to exist for no reason.

This is what is known as a False Dichotomy.

Either there's a God that created the universe ( The absurd Xtian one)

Or

You have to believe that everything just came from nowhere for no reason (Which is to make an insanely stupid empirical claim)

[Tonus]

A little bit of science will take you away from God but a lot of science will bring you closer to him. Once you understand everything that was involved in a creation of the universe such as this and ultimately humanity is becomes very difficult to see it in terms of a blind natural force.

My point was that it's the opposite. In the past, people used the mystical and spiritual to explain the things that they could not explain naturally (ie, they had a little bit of science). As we learn more and more about our world and universe, we consistently find natural explanations for those phenomena (ie, we have more and more science). The logical conclusion is to expect that as our knowledge continues to increase, we fill the remaining gaps with natural explanations.

The Bible if you read what it says about the universe and Gods relationship to it, though it gets a number scientific details of the universes construction wrong (they thought the Earth was flat and stood on pillars), still stands up to scrutiny today. You will it powerfully moving to read.

I read and studied the Bible for some thirty years, I am familiar with it. And yes, it does get a number of details wrong, because it filled gaps in knowledge with mystical and spiritual explanations. I don't find that it stands up to scrutiny.

I already went through the atheist stage in my mid teens to mid 20s so I've given it a decent go.

I was raised Christian and followed that path devoutly for many years. I eventually drifted from it as I tried to make it work logically and found it more and more difficult to paper over the flaws and inconsistencies. I did not set out to be an atheist nor did I seek to disprove the Bible or my beliefs. On the contrary; I deliberately avoided the more overt challenges to god and religion and put up a wall of confirmation bias and obfuscation to protect myself. But trying to confirm "the truth" by denying what I found to actually be true didn't work very well.

[discipulus]

Are you convinced that your views about reality are true?

Absolutely.

Excellent.

Now tell me, do any of your views pertain to how we as homo sapiens originated? If so, how did we originate?

[The Reality Salesman01]

Hey you! Ask me more of your questions! Is there gonna be an "Ah-ha" moment?

[discipulus]

Hmm...ok....

Will I suffer the same fate?

Texas Sailor,

I am still waiting for your reply.

Sorry. I went to bed.

Will you suffer the same fate? That's kind of a loaded question. Will you suffer? I have no evidence to make a claim either way about you. I can't say anything about anyone's "fate" either because I'm not a fatalist. However, I do have good reason to think that eventually, I will die. I described my opinion of what I believed death to be like, and why I thought that. As for you, another person? I don't know how you view things. My entire description of death was based on my own subjective experience. If what I said made sense to you, and my reasons were good enough, and you were able to relate to them, then perhaps you adopted my view. If you did that, it's very likely that you would be expecting the same outcome. But, I can no more predict your future with any degree of certainty than I can my own. So, to ask me to predict your fate is really quite beyond my ability. Fair enough?

I am not asking you to predict my fate.

I am asking you do you think that when people die that they simply cease to exist or do they live on and enter into an afterlife? Which view do you hold to?

[downbeatplumb]

Absolutely.

Excellent.

Now tell me, do any of your views pertain to how we as homo sapiens originated? If so, how did we originate?

We evolved.

And if you look at wikipedia you will see that there is lots of evidence to back that up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

So do you have an alternative suggestion?

If so I want to see the physical evidence.

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I am asking you do you think that when people die that they simply cease to exist or do they live on and enter into an afterlife? Which view do you hold to?

Of course you cease to exist!

Expecting life after death is exactly like expecting light after the light source has been destroyed.

[Sword of Christ]

The study of stuff, huh? It's the study of the natural world and universe which exists, as we currently understand, due to scientific phenomena. Physics is the reason a lot of shit is here - that's not a no reason. But go ahead and keep telling Atheists what we think.

So the study of stuff that exists without a reason then. Either there is a reason or there isn't and atheists claim there isn't one. This for most people is a baffling as seems self apparent that they ought to be, an effect will always have a cause.

[The Reality Salesman01]

Sorry. I went to bed.

Will you suffer the same fate? That's kind of a loaded question. Will you suffer? I have no evidence to make a claim either way about you. I can't say anything about anyone's "fate" either because I'm not a fatalist. However, I do have good reason to think that eventually, I will die. I described my opinion of what I believed death to be like, and why I thought that. As for you, another person? I don't know how you view things. My entire description of death was based on my own subjective experience. If what I said made sense to you, and my reasons were good enough, and you were able to relate to them, then perhaps you adopted my view. If you did that, it's very likely that you would be expecting the same outcome. But, I can no more predict your future with any degree of certainty than I can my own. So, to ask me to predict your fate is really quite beyond my ability. Fair enough?

I am not asking you to predict my fate.

I am asking you do you think that when people die that they simply cease to exist or do they live on and enter into an afterlife? Which view do you hold to?

I've already answered this. I told you that I had no evidence to assert any plain of afterlife, but that because I have a subjective sense of a state in which I did not live, that is, what it was like before I was born, I am inclined to lean toward death being similar. That combined with zero evidence to support the idea of an afterlife, is enough to hold my belief without penalty. In short, I don't know what happens after we die, I can only imagine a similar state, and that strikes me as similar enough to be satisfying.

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So the study of stuff that exists without a reason then. Either there is a reason or there isn't and atheists claim there isn't one.

Wrong again! We just don't make up reasons without evidence. We say that we don't know. Welcome to agnosticism.