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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 4:12 pm
(September 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 16, 2013 at 1:37 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: There are as many gods as there believers. Drich's god is unique in that he has given it attributed based on his own faith and beliefs.
But naturally, his is the one true god. You do know that no other religion makes that claim right?
And that is relevant how?
Even if that was true, does that somehow make your god the one and true god? Because he says so?
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm
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(September 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: First off that is circular logic. Second of all when I was a Christian that is exactly what I did. I prayed for proof, to make me a better Christian and to strengthen my faith for months on end. You can guess at the results. Nothing, nottah, zippo
Have you considered that before God can show you proof you must first go through a process of "Questioning all things and hold on to what is good?" (and discard the rest.) Because if you have a wrong Idea of God and then you receive 'proof' of God then wouldn't that fortify the idea of God you already had? What if God did not want you to have that idea of Him in the first place?
How then is it unreasonable to assume that a systematic wholesale questioning of everything you believe is not first ordered or mandated by God? is essence your current atheism? Which if you are honest and truly seek answers, God will see to it you have them. He did for me. The only thing He requires in return is that you are faithful to those answers. Meaning you do not disregaurd them simply because you want to simply not believe in God.
(September 16, 2013 at 3:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: You mean righteous acts like murdering gays?
So me a command where Christians are commanded to kill gays.
(September 16, 2013 at 4:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This thread is very Shakespeareian: "It is a tale told by an idiot; full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
The sound and fury in this case being total insistence on presuppositionalism and determination to abdicate responsibilty for the burden of proof. Drich, if you actually had any such proof, you wouldn't be trying anything like this hard. That's why our bullshit meters are shooting off the scale.
Actually no. God is responsiable for the burden of proof. I am only responsiable to tell you how to petition God for that 'proof.'
(September 16, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Rationalman Wrote: (September 16, 2013 at 4:09 pm)Drich Wrote: You do know that no other religion makes that claim right?
And that is relevant how?
Even if that was true, does that somehow make your god the one and true god? Because he says so?
To 'our' discussion? it's not. That is why it is best for you to color on your own paper, and not on your neighbors.
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 4:26 pm
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(September 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually no. God is responsiable for the burden of proof. I am only responsiable to tell you how to petition God for that 'proof.'
Actually no. Nice try at a red herring but "God" isn't the one making the claims here. You are. "God" is your claim. The burden of proving that claim is yours.
And here we go with the presuppositions again.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: I know what proof of God looks like for me.
You have no real proof of god. Yes, I can state that, knowing it is true.
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: I'm asking what does 'proof' of God look like for you.
I suppose you are too lazy to have read the countless times we mentioned what type of proof was necessary for us to believe that your god exists. And you accuse us of not properly reading your posts?
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: Again if you do not know what you are looking for, then how can you possiably recognise it when you see it?
Your god cannot be recognized and seen because your god is not real. Simple as that. Just because you prefer to live in a fantasy world where you prefer the comfort of believing in something for which there is absolutely no evidence to support its existence, you cannot logically think the blame for not seeing your delusion is the fault of others.
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: what is your 'morality' based on if not God?
Humanity.
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: Again stimmy as I told RM 'proof' is meaningless if the people examining it don't know what they are looking at.
I reiterate: Your god cannot be recognized and seen because your god is not real. Simple as that. Just because you prefer to live in a fantasy world where you prefer the comfort of believing in something for which there is absolutely no evidence to support its existence, you cannot logically think the blame for not seeing your delusion is the fault of others.
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: If you show a monkey proof of space travel, what do you think his response will be? He will throw poop at it as he does everything else unfamiliar to him.
Do you honestly think what you posted above is even logical? A monkey can probably be taught how to travel through space, and even do a better job than you, and now that I write this I am fairly certain that the monkey can make some sort of connection with being able to perform space travel with the existence of space travel.
Where is the proof of your god, other than locked tightly away in that deluded mind of yours?
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: Fore all you have done is disproove that you can not imagine a God into existance.
False. We are well aware that your god is merely a byproduct of the imagination.
(September 16, 2013 at 9:27 am)Drich Wrote: If you want to know why God can do these things then ask.
We have asked ourselves. It is apparent that the god of the bible in which you believe is nothing more than a delusional comfort for those who cannot properly handle reality and that the god viewed without rose colored glasses is a psychopath.
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Leviticus 20:13
20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Now where does the bible say thou salt follow the law of Leviticus?
Oh here is Paul in Romans
God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm
(September 16, 2013 at 4:26 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (September 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually no. God is responsiable for the burden of proof. I am only responsiable to tell you how to petition God for that 'proof.'
Actually no. Nice try at a red herring but "God" isn't the one making the claims here. You are. "God" is your claim. The burden of proving that claim is yours.
And here we go with the presuppositions again.
My claims begin and end with what God has done for me. God however offers 'claims' to work with you as well if you simply do as instructed.
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 9:41 pm
(September 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 16, 2013 at 4:26 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Actually no. Nice try at a red herring but "God" isn't the one making the claims here. You are. "God" is your claim. The burden of proving that claim is yours.
And here we go with the presuppositions again.
My claims begin and end with what God has done for me. God however offers 'claims' to work with you as well if you simply do as instructed. So your not a Christian then.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 9:46 pm
(September 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Drich Wrote: My claims begin and end with what God has done for me.
God has done nothing for you. When something good happens in one's life, ignorantly attributing the good fortune to a god that does not exist is illogical.
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 9:59 pm
(September 16, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Drich Wrote: My claims begin and end with what God has done for me. God however offers 'claims' to work with you as well if you simply do as instructed.
Precisely. Presuppositions. You are basing all of your claims on the assumption that this god of yours exists and that it thinks and behaves as you claim. There's a word for the type of reasoning in which you start by assuming your conclusion. Can anyone in the class tell Drich what it is?
Put another way, you are claiming that the Emperor is dressed in robes of the finest silks and then telling us that he will share his fashion tips with us if we just ask him. In order to do that, we have to presuppose not only that Emperor isn't naked, but that there's an Emperor at all. That, in the context of everything you've written in this thread, is the essence of your claim. Since you cannot or will not substantiate it with anything other than "go and ask the Emperor", we remain at an impasse.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Part 3
September 16, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Quote: In the gospel of Matthew it is recorded that after Joseph had been told that Herod was dead and that he could return home he learned that Archelaus was now ruling over Judea and was afraid. Joseph was warned in a dream not to return to Judea, and so he settled his family in Galilee.
Why would "god" have been afraid of Archelaus?
Pretty piss-poor god.
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