Evolution Trumps Creationism

[Minimalist]

Dilbert's been dealing with fundies, apparently.

[Doubting Thomas]

Damn Min, I just posted the same comic in another thread.

[Drich]

OK so basically when I was wavering in my faith and I did this and nothing happened, then did God want me to become an atheist?

I would say yes, if your core faith was toxic.

Think about it. If your core faith was not what God wanted for you, then why would He support it? Then You A/S/K the first step in building a strong faith is to wipe the slate clean. remove the failing structure, and start anew. To question every aspect of your faith and God and start laying down a solid foundation to begin anew.

The only problem with this is it is far too easy to build a structure that centers around self worship in place of your toxic faith. You may have A/S/Ked God to help you get to where your at, but if you stopped meaning you no longer Ask Seek or Knock (knock being the key) then you will never get to the place that had you begin your quest in the first place. Leaving you an atheist, not because God wants you to remain here, but because you have the ablity to choose to remain an atheist, and not come back.

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Well, okay, I get what you're saying, my question is why, if god already knew evolution was going to produce homo sapiens in the end, did he bother creating a pair of people from whole cloth in the garden at all? That seems really redundant.

Homo sapiens in of themselves are not the end Goal. Man Made in the Image of God was the end Goal. Meaning Man with a soul. Homo sapiens are the terestial vechical in which Man Made in the Image of God reside in this life, in this world. Why? To test the heart of the soul of man. So we know where we truly want to spend eternity.

My second question is, what is your basis for claiming this?

The same source material that establishes the creation account to begin with.

Aside from the fact that there's no concrete numerical timeline in the bible, what actually points toward this being true, not just not definitely false?

What I said, is just one possiable way this world could have come together. One that incoperates Creation and Evolution.

Oh, better yet, what real world evidence are you using to come to this conclusion, or is it really the kind of ad hoc apologetics it smells like?

There is no apologetic here. The only thing that even could be considered an apologetic is the fact that I said there is not time line between gen 2 and 3.

I simply took that fact that there are fossils, and reconciled them with what has been written and know to be true.

If your looking for absolute undeniable proof, you'll never have it. Not in this life, for if you did you would not truly have a choice(Heaven or Hell), and that is what this life is all about.

What I've said here simply takes the 'absolute' out of the theory of evolution. Now it does have to be this unresolveable undeniable faith breaking obstical for those who wish to believe. Evolution becomes a way for science to supliment scripture. It now can fill in the gaps.

[Minimalist]

Damn Min, I just posted the same comic in another thread.

You know what they say about Great Minds thinking alike? Apparently it works for us, too.

[Bad Writer]

No one here cares about A/S/K, Drich. Your words are meaningless rhetoric.

[Drich]

This is my unproven theory as to why Drich is so stubborn.

We have to look at things from Drich's perspective. I don't know his life story, but it seems that somehow he survived AIDS. I don't know if he is permanently or only temporarily cured. To him, it was a miracle, so he gained faith in God, feeling that he must express his thanks to Him.

Now, to Drich, not accepting the word of God word for word would be going back on his debt to God. But, he likes science, too. He tried to show how science can be applied to the Bible so that he could stay faithful, and perhaps help us, too.

it has been shown with little doubt that Drich's ideas are wrong. However, he is like a scared cat, backed into a corner. He is fighting drastically to stay faithful. I don't know if we can ever de-convert him, because he will believe anything to stay faithful, even if he must accept the impossible.

And that's how I see things. I may be completely wrong, but I don't pity him, I hope the best for him.

Why am I so stubborn?

What would it take for you to believe in God to the point you are willing to deny anyone and everything that tells you otherwise??? Try to imagine 1000 things that would make it impossiable for anyone or anything to shake what you believe... Now Imagine God taking your list and gave you 10x's what you asked for...

Where would your faith be then? At that point cant even really call it faith can you? Because it becomes an absolute.

That is what I have been given not a faith but an absolute. Now take an absolute, and pit it against the theories and beliefs of people who have a soured disposition/vest reason to believe in something other than God.. What could they possiably say to change anything you understand in the 'absolute' you have been Given?

Maybe that is why I am here. Because nothing that any one of you can possiable throw at me can change anything I know to be true. and even if I have to spend 20 years being verbally pooped on by you and even your kids, for a chance to have one person return home to God, then my time here will not have been in vain.

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No one here cares about A/S/K, Drich. Your words are meaningless rhetoric.

As are yours Mr. tuvoc

[Foxaèr]

Because nothing that any one of you can possiable throw at me can change anything I know to be true.

You do not know it to be true so much as you have deluded yourself into thinking it is true.

[Captain Colostomy]

Because nothing that any one of you can possiable throw at me can change anything I know to be true.

You do not know it to be true so much as you have deluded yourself into thinking it is true.

I think a well placed brick to the temple could erase the delusion.

[Esquilax]

Homo sapiens in of themselves are not the end Goal. Man Made in the Image of God was the end Goal. Meaning Man with a soul. Homo sapiens are the terestial vechical in which Man Made in the Image of God reside in this life, in this world. Why? To test the heart of the soul of man. So we know where we truly want to spend eternity.

Which still doesn't really answer my question: why wouldn't god just bestow souls onto all the evolved humans? Given the ridiculously small breeding population of ensouled humans in your account, isn't it more than likely that soulless humans are wandering around today, potentially more numerous than ensouled ones? What happens to those guys?

The same source material that establishes the creation account to begin with.

Which is the same source material that young earth creationists use to disagree with you entirely; I'm asking what, in that account, would you use to privilege your claim here above theirs?

What I said, is just one possiable way this world could have come together. One that incoperates Creation and Evolution.

I'm really more interested in what's actually true, or at least what you think is true, in this case. Do you think this account is the case, or are you just speculating?

I simply took that fact that there are fossils, and reconciled them with what has been written and know to be true.

Whoa, hold on: you don't know what's written in the bible is true until you can demonstrate it. Working like this is just leading the evidence to your assumed conclusion, which... well, it ain't great.

If your looking for absolute undeniable proof, you'll never have it. Not in this life, for if you did you would not truly have a choice(Heaven or Hell), and that is what this life is all about.

Oh, we absolutely could have proof for your claim here, though! Just find where the garden of eden is supposed to be. Given that nothing died there, what you're proposing is that there's a place on the earth that's quite large, where the fossil record just stops: nothing dies and nothing evolves, so what you'd find is a point devoid of fossils up until the fall, wherein modern man already existed. You find that, and bam: you've got some physical evidence to count toward your idea.

What I've said here simply takes the 'absolute' out of the theory of evolution.

Please, please don't resort to "just a theory" here...

Now it does have to be this unresolveable undeniable faith breaking obstical for those who wish to believe. Evolution becomes a way for science to supliment scripture. It now can fill in the gaps.

Not without evidence it doesn't.

[Bad Writer]

No one here cares about A/S/K, Drich. Your words are meaningless rhetoric.

As are yours Mr. tuvoc

If you say so. I'm not the one fooling myself by listening to the voices in my head.